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Post by sokoloff »

smt88 wrote: post #314
sokoloff wrote: post #146

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I went out of my way to install CarPlay in our old ICE car and think it adds safety, especially with maps in an unfamiliar area. Trying to read the map on a 3” wide screen in a cup holder or clipped to an air vent is way worse than on a 7” screen mounted in an easily viewable area.

But "reading a map" is only one thing you do with CarPlay. People also use it for music, messaging, finding/changing destinations, voice calls, etc. The CarPlay UI in particular is so inconsistent and unpredictable that I can never just have a routine. Some Siri commands randomly don't work ("I can't do that while you're driving") when they just worked a few minutes before. Android Auto is much better, I will say.

Everything you do in a car is a choice. I don’t think CarPlay leads people to riskier choices on average than they’d make without it and makes some things they’re already choosing to do leas risky. (I ack that I don’t have data either.)

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Post by lotsofpulp »

marcosdumay wrote: post #567
evandale wrote: post #543

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> That 2 hours rule seems to be health related. But a lot of food gets bad much before it becomes unsafe to eat. Name one that does that in a 6 hour time period. > It's not 20 minutes. It's 20 minutes more than the normal trip duration. Tomato tomato. It's a negligible time period. Food out for 3 hours and 20 minutes is not going to be worse off than food out for 3 hours. > Anyway, city traffic is not caused by peopl…

> Name one that does that in a 6 hour time period. Ice cream that somebody already said around up-thread is an example. So I guess you are not very open to them. > Food out for 3 hours and 20 minutes is not going to be worse off than food out for 3 hours. There is a lot of difference between 30 and 50 minutes. But yeah, if you compare it to a decade, it's irrelevant too. > City traffic is caused by people driving car…

I agree with you, especially because the crux of the matter is convenience of car versus public transit.

Cars are VERY convenient, so public transit needs to be on time, frequent, and very close by to compete. The other option is to make cars inconvenient, which is politically unpopular.

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Post by foxyv »

VirusNewbie wrote: post #495
foxyv wrote: post #485

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To be honest, the majority of existing areas will probably go bankrupt as densification happens, plunging the value of cookie cutter, match stick homes to be bulldozed and hopefully re-wilded. Most of suburbia is already going bankrupt. The roads, sewers, pipes, and electrical wires are falling apart because they are too expensive to maintain. All it takes is one company to move out or the land to run out before they…

I’m highly skeptical of the core thesis of the “strong towns” link, and cherry picking a few examples certainly doesn’t convince me. I can cite plenty of small suburban areas that had an influx of demand without “growth” and the subsequent increase in tax revenue. Even if you are correct, what time frame do you think this will happen? Will hundred of millions of Americans living in the suburbs be in bankrupted cities…

It is already happening, with the pending commercial real estate crash I expect a lot of the big ones will be looking down the barrel soon. Most cities are propped up by short term gains. Foreign investment, capital firms, large business offices, etc.... It won't take much to tip them over. We're sitting on a ticking time bomb trying to add seconds to the clock instead of disarm it.

https://www.wmtxlaw.com/cities-declared-bankruptcy/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxCVUpaelHw

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Post by retrac »

fzeroracer wrote: post #591
retrac wrote: post #18

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Walking and on their phones, too. In recent years I've seen people step into intersections while on their phone without even looking up. Edit: anyone who disagrees and has downvoted me care to explain why? I wrote the comment from the perspective a pedestrian. I don't even drive! Some cities consider it such problem they've talked about making it illegal to walk around in the street looking at your phone: https://www…

Do you ever consider why the problem of rising pedestrian deaths is a US oddity? Or do you simply think that smartphones etc don't exist in Europe?

Pedestrian deaths have been increasing in many countries. It is not a US-specific phenomenon.

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Post by retrac »

ch4s3 wrote: post #78
retrac wrote: post #18

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Walking and on their phones, too. In recent years I've seen people step into intersections while on their phone without even looking up. Edit: anyone who disagrees and has downvoted me care to explain why? I wrote the comment from the perspective a pedestrian. I don't even drive! Some cities consider it such problem they've talked about making it illegal to walk around in the street looking at your phone: https://www…

You're being down voted because of your odious victim blaming. Moreover, CDC data shows alcohol being the leading cause of fatal crashes where a vehicle strikes a pedestrian. Texting by pedestrians doesn't even register in the statistics. Furthermore, no city is making it illegal to text while walking, that would be fucking absurd. The law proposed in the article you cited was proposed by State Senator John Liu who i…

I am not American. I am not a driver. I detest car-centric urban design.

It's fascinating how many of the replies require you or other commenters to rely heavily on straw men and false assumptions (like assuming American nationality) to twist reading my comment from its anodyne straightforward interpretation (look where you're going) into some sort of apologia for "car-brained dickishness". It's quite amazing.

If everyone who stepped into traffic while looking at their phones looked up first, fewer people would be hit by cars. I stand by this dickish, car-brained statement.

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Post by ch4s3 »

retrac wrote: post #605
ch4s3 wrote: post #78

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You're being down voted because of your odious victim blaming. Moreover, CDC data shows alcohol being the leading cause of fatal crashes where a vehicle strikes a pedestrian. Texting by pedestrians doesn't even register in the statistics. Furthermore, no city is making it illegal to text while walking, that would be fucking absurd. The law proposed in the article you cited was proposed by State Senator John Liu who i…

I am not American. I am not a driver. I detest car-centric urban design. It's fascinating how many of the replies require you or other commenters to rely heavily on straw men and false assumptions (like assuming American nationality) to twist reading my comment from its anodyne straightforward interpretation (look where you're going) into some sort of apologia for "car-brained dickishness". It's quite amazing. If eve…

There's no evidence anywhere at all as far as I can tell that cell phone usage by pedestrians is a driver of fatal crashes. People assumed an American perspective because you posted a parochial article abut New York state. And you're just being an asshole.

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Post by piloto_ciego »

mrguyorama wrote: post #505
piloto_ciego wrote: post #438

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There’s a growing sense of anger in literally almost everyone I know. Somewhere on the way, people have become more misanthropic, close-minded, and angry. I’m not sure why. I think it is social media and the enshittification of all these services? Also, the rise of authoritarianism in America and abroad may contribute to this? Regardless, more and more I see people living in a fantasy world where people both “suck im…

It's really easy to explain? If you are conservative you think the world is going upside down with people just allowed to say they are whatever and you think that trans people are all degenerates or stupid and need to shut up and go away. You likely think that the 2020 election was LITERALLY rigged, and you believe that someone was shot in a peaceful protest at the capitol building. You believe all democrats are mole…

I mean, I agree with what you’re saying… but then again, they aren’t living in 2 different realities. As far as I am aware, there’s still only one reality.

Just because some (potentially most) of these people are delusional doesn’t mean that reality is different for them, just the framework they’re living in doesn’t match objective reality.

And part of all this delusion is a belief that a great many people are idiots, assholes, and irredeemable. That propaganda atomizes us.

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Post by bichiliad »

rootusrootus wrote: post #441
bichiliad wrote: post #193

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> Public transportation is also not an option due to how inconvenient it is due to how infrequently it would run, and the cost of missed or missing buses/trains, which again, run infrequently due to lack of density of people. I think it depends on where you are, but useful public transit is very possible in most places. Low frequency is the result of poor planning, not a requirement of public transit.

> Low frequency is the result of poor planning Not in my experience. It has more to do with funding. We have a specific tax levied just for transit, and people don't vote to increase it.

I'm treating them as one and the same here. My point is more that it's not endemic of public transit itself, but the way it's implemented (and supported and funded).

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Post by cmh89 »

pandaman wrote: post #561
cmh89 wrote: post #559

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Who said anything about jaywalking? >t's your responsibility to follow the rules. Sure! And motorist need to follow the rules of the road. Unfortunately when they break the rules, which they do most of the time, they can easily end someones life. I'm guessing you're one of the good ones who definitely doesn't speed every time they are in the car.

The conversation is about pedestrians walking into traffic while staring in their phones, jaywalking in other words. Please don't try to ad hominem, it just shows that you don't have any arguments of substance and degrades the discussion.

> The conversation is about pedestrians walking into traffic while staring in their phones, jaywalking in other words

Sorry, you are not understanding what jaywalking is. If you can find a definition of jaywalking that mentions phone, I'll concede your point, but you can't, because it has nothing to do with phones.

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Post by ShadowBanThis01 »

ShadowBanThis01 wrote: post #415

And why? TEXTING. Until states make texting while driving a DUI-level offense, with the same penalties, this isn't going to get better. I'm so tired of seeing people bellyaching about "speeding" when in fact the real problem is texting. Whining about "speed" lets politicians and law enforcement off the hook for not addressing the glaringly obvious threat to everyone on the road. And instead of cracking down on it, th…

Love how someone actually down-modded that. Yeah, up with stealing from others and putting their lives at risk!

Incredible.

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