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Re: The EU’s fight for user-replaceable smartphone batteries

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Post by filoleg » Tue, Jun 27, 2023, 7:49 AM UTC

progfix wrote: post #80

tomjen3 wrote: post #61

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That's not great - those devices really do not have space for a replaceable battery. And no, I don't want them bigger than they already are.

I did a 10 second internet search and found earbuds that have a replaceable battery and are not bigger than usual ones. https://pqearbuds.com/

Looking at the pictures on the website, they look to be about at least twice the size of the most recent airpods pro, and much larger than the very first airpods (which are massive compared to the more recent ones).

I would have compared the weight directly, but PQ website only shows the weight for earbuds+case together (70g), couldn't find the weight of earbuds alone anywhere. Apple's website lists airpods pro 2 at 3g and the case at 50g.

Re: The EU’s fight for user-replaceable smartphone batteries

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Post by superkuh » Tue, Jun 27, 2023, 2:51 PM UTC

oefnak wrote: post #325

superkuh wrote: post #297

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Bad food causes actual physical harm to people. This is violence. Bringing in state violence to prevent this actual physical harm makes all the sense in the world. Making a choice to buy a shitty phone with a glued in battery is not being harmed . There's no violence being done in this context. And there's no coercion involved. As for, "What violence?", how do you think laws are enforced? I hope this helps you better…

But it is bad for people... How can you not see that the government is protecting them from having to buy a new phone earlier, and the environment from easier separation of the different components? If it is a rule for all companies, it doesn't matter either way, economically speaking.

Your implicit assumption here, a very dangerous one, is that people cannot make their own choices and need coercion backed by government violence to make the right choices of phone to buy.

I acknowledge that shitty phones are shitty phones. That's why I personally have never and will not buy one. Other people's choices to buy shitty phones does not justify bringing in the government no matter how much it reduces waste. I'd love if people made that choice themselves but having the government force it is quite evil.

Re: The EU’s fight for user-replaceable smartphone batteries

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Post by dotancohen » Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 3:12 PM UTC

sroussey wrote: post #179

jacquesm wrote: post #157

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I'm still on a dumb phone and that's because I think spending $800 on a phone is ridiculous. And it's not like I can't afford it.

I spend money where I spend time: phone, chair, monitor, mattress. I rarely drive so my car is 19 years old. I use my phone daily (right now!) so I have the newest one.

I'd love some honest mattress advice.

Re: The EU’s fight for user-replaceable smartphone batteries

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Post by Tagbert » Sun, Jul 02, 2023, 6:19 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #203

Tagbert wrote: post #190

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“ They were IIRC also caught red-handed a couple times deliberately releasing updates to older iDevices that would just wreck their battery life and have a few lawsuits pending about that.” Are you going to just drop an inflammatory statement like that and not even try to provide any information to back it up?

Is google down or something? https://www.npr.org/2020/11/18/936268845/apple-agrees-to-pay...

“caught red-handed” implies an intent that is not supported by the evidence.

The design of the battery in the 6 turned out to be problematic once the battery reached a certain age. After lots of reports of iPhones shutting down suddenly, Apple issued a software update that slowed down those phones so that they didn’t shut down. They then redesigned the battery and this was not a problem in later models.

You talk about a general slow down of phones when the OS is updated. That is most likely due to increased processing needed in later OSs. The early phone CPUs had barely enough processing to do what they needed to do so the added demands of a new OS would drag them down a little. Over time the cumulative effect would add up. This is not unique to iPhones. I have heard the same complaints from Android users. Fortunately modern phone CPUs are powerful enough that they have the cycles to spare and slowdowns are rare.