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Harvard’s new computer science teacher is a chatbot

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CS50 was a gigantic intro class designed to whet non-comp-sci students appetite for coding and computer science, generally. (I took it when it was C/PHP, so they may have changed things.) While the lectures are very straightforward, the smaller 'sections' lectures with the dozen-or-so teaching fellows were more intensive, and p-sets were pretty challenging for newbies. The weekly help sessions ended up being a millio…

(to be clear, I was never a Harvard College undergrad. I was a degree candidate in a Harvard Extension program before transferring, and I worked for Harvard for over two decades, one of them full-time.)

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CS50 was a gigantic intro class designed to whet non-comp-sci students appetite for coding and computer science, generally. (I took it when it was C/PHP, so they may have changed things.) While the lectures are very straightforward, the smaller 'sections' lectures with the dozen-or-so teaching fellows were more intensive, and p-sets were pretty challenging for newbies. The weekly help sessions ended up being a millio…

I find it hard to reconcile "The weekly help sessions ended up being a million lost students in a giant hall waiting to see one of a few dozen TAs offering uneven pedagogical quality." with "very, very well-funded class". Why didn't the funding go to hiring more staff? My experience in a state school had far more access to education staff than what you describe, and for less funding.

Harvard isn't about learning. It's about paying the TA. Connections and money.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> access to the full course catalog That would (to me) only make sense if the extra $3,000 for the CS course subsidizes the other courses. > and doesn’t live in one of the undergrad houses Which is why I only compared tuition, and did not include the housing fee.

Not all of the classes are the same quality— though many are. Harvard College summer classes are all done through the extension school. I think extension students can actually enroll in the full undergrad catalog once they get to a certain point in their degree program if they're preforming well. Not positive though. However, your degree options are very limited, you don't get access to the same interaction with the…

> Harvard knows how much cachet a Harvard degree has

Reading about how crappy their intro CS course it makes me downgrade their cachet.

I can't help but wonder if the richer students simply pay for a tutor, rather than depend on the school-provided services.

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My coworker’s kid just graduated from Harvard. He said it cost about $315,000k. Does your number include all the fees and such most colleges tack on to tuition?

I linked to https://registrar.fas.harvard.edu/tuition-and-fees which shows I quoted only tuition. That's the amount which most directly goes toward paying for educational staff salaries. The total tuition+fees for Academic Year 2023-24 from the same page, is $79,450/year, giving $317,800 for 4 years, and matching your number.

Typo!!

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not all of the classes are the same quality— though many are. Harvard College summer classes are all done through the extension school. I think extension students can actually enroll in the full undergrad catalog once they get to a certain point in their degree program if they're preforming well. Not positive though. However, your degree options are very limited, you don't get access to the same interaction with the…

> Harvard knows how much cachet a Harvard degree has Reading about how crappy their intro CS course it makes me downgrade their cachet. I can't help but wonder if the richer students simply pay for a tutor, rather than depend on the school-provided services.

Harvard isn't known for their CS program. I did CS undergrad at a school ranked quite a bit higher than Harvard (for CS). I think that CS50 would have been quite an improvement on the intro class at my school. But you have to understand, these classes are supposed to be hard. CS requires a huge amount of self-study and a huge amount of independent work. The kids that aren't willing to do that gain nothing by advancing to the second year curriculum.

The system isn't perfect - it never will be. But seeing lots of kids at sections and office hours is a good thing. It shows that they are willing to ask for help when they need it, and are willing to put in the hard work to succeed. I'm sure that some of the richest kids pay for private help. But one thing you need to understand about the wealthy is that they are more likely to make use of the services that are available to them. It is very striking to see how many poorer people suffer in silence when help is available, because they don't want to be a burden or are embarrassed to be in need of help. I assure you that no rich person ever feels embarrassed by asking for help.

As for Harvard Extension, a lot of people will tell you that it is around 100 years old. But in reality, it is a lot closer to 200 years old. Harvard alum John Lowell Jr left half of his estate to provide educational opportunities to greater Boston. They paid the most accomplished academics they could find to present lectures for free or cheap at night so that people who worked jobs during the day could attend. It wasn't limited to Harvard professors, of course, and it continuously evolved to serve the needs of the day. The trustees at MIT were the first to organize lectures into a real curriculum rather than a set of ad-hoc topics. By the early 1900s it had transformed into an organized group of all of the colleges and universities in the Boston area. Depending on the subject matter you studied, you "graduated" from the school that specialized in that subject even if you took courses at a different school. All those schools dropped out, one by one, until Harvard was the only one left - which shows their commitment to the concept (no entrance exam, inexpensive, targeted at non-traditional students).

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