U.S. pedestrian deaths reach a 40-year high

Post by pkulak » Tue, Jun 27, 2023, 1:31 AM UTC

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Shame we can't instead invest billions into making public transit, especially the max lines running from the suburbs into downtown, far more efficient as a practical solution for commuters. The Esplanade is one of my favorite bike routes in the city, second only to the Springwater corridor. I love cruising up the East side and back on the West side while looking out over the Willamette. I'm going to be sad if that ro…

If only we could have made max more like a real urban rail system instead of a toy. It's brutally slow, especially if you are unfortunate enough to take it through downtown Portland.

Post by klyrs » Tue, Jun 27, 2023, 1:50 AM UTC

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> There's no reason for a sedan to be heavier than 3000 lbs. Because batteries are heavy. Or do you mean you want sedans to stay fossil-fuel powered forever? > There's no reason 1 1/2 ton pickups should be bigger than a 1994 Ford F150. Did that have a back seat big enough for adults to sit in? If not, then there's your reason.

Maybe F-150's should be considered impractical family vehicles instead of trying to shoehorn them into a do-everything-everywhere-all-the-time kind of vehicle?

Post by roflyear » Tue, Jun 27, 2023, 3:06 AM UTC

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There are sidewalks on much of US1, but no, it isn't surprising that more highway-like roads do not have sidewalks.

The speed limit is 35mph, there are 1-2 two lanes, plus an occasional middle turn lane, there are street lights, the roadway isn't elevated, and connects directly to businesses and homes. I don't think there's a less highway-like road, other than dirt ones.

Post by strix_varius » Tue, Jun 27, 2023, 3:46 AM UTC

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Who said anything about jaywalking? >t's your responsibility to follow the rules. Sure! And motorist need to follow the rules of the road. Unfortunately when they break the rules, which they do most of the time, they can easily end someones life. I'm guessing you're one of the good ones who definitely doesn't speed every time they are in the car.

The conversation is about pedestrians walking into traffic while staring in their phones, jaywalking in other words. Please don't try to ad hominem, it just shows that you don't have any arguments of substance and degrades the discussion.

Post by strix_varius » Tue, Jun 27, 2023, 3:51 AM UTC

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In many areas, it would take a ton of work in the effort of making destinations closer to each other. Huge parking lots, setbacks, wide roads, and detached houses on their own quarter, or even eighth, of an acre lot make it so the choice between walking/bicycling and using a personal car is not much of a choice. Public transportation is also not an option due to how inconvenient it is due to how infrequently it would…

Fixing bad infrastructure takes time, but you don't even need that to reduce pedestrian deaths. If only people had smaller vehicles the rate of survival would go way up. I could pretty easily imagine a sliding vehicle tax scale where safer, more practical sub-compacts and minivans are subsidized by the mega-lifted land yacht SUVs and pickups. Sure it doesn't fix the design problems of cities, but it at least means th…