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UK ‘must prepare for sudden collapse of Russia’

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Re: UK ‘must prepare for sudden collapse of Russia’

#11

Question for the room: what should the West be doing here?

Same thing they did when the USSR collapsed. Basically, make sure the nukes don't end up in the hands of a bigger monster or they're not sold to rogue states/organizations.

Something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunn%E2%80%93Lugar_Cooperative...

Re: UK ‘must prepare for sudden collapse of Russia’

#13

It is a cultural tradition of the UK government to never be prepared for anything. This is the principle of muddling through because everything always works out alright in the end, so there is no point worrying about it.

Armando Iannucci gets it spot on in The Thick of It: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/the-thick-of-it

Re: UK ‘must prepare for sudden collapse of Russia’

#14

It is a cultural tradition of the UK government to never be prepared for anything. This is the principle of muddling through because everything always works out alright in the end, so there is no point worrying about it.

Benefit of being an island. Always suck early in the war and then ending it with a treaty that is positive for you. Let your allies pay with blood.

Re: UK ‘must prepare for sudden collapse of Russia’

#15

Question for the room: what should the West be doing here?

I would imagine mainly containment; make sure the collapse of Russia stays in Russia and that you don't end up with black market tanks in Poland or a warlord seizing mines in Kazakhstan.

>black market tanks in Poland

Why would that be a problem? plenty of museums to take them in, might get handy like last year when we sent >300 modernized tanks to UA.

> or a warlord seizing mines in Kazakhstan.

Kazakhstan is independent for over 30 years now

Re: UK ‘must prepare for sudden collapse of Russia’

#16

https://archive.is/HCNIS TLDR: breathlessly portraying Putin as losing his grasp on power without new information. PS: it was 8,000 troops behind Prigozhin not 25,000 as misreported earlier. Prigozhin is exiled to Belarius, but Belarius is a satellite of Russian power. Putin is likely going to clean house (assuming events are what they seem), but it's far from clear what actually happened inside of Russia at this poi…

>and what we've been told has already been shown to be false information

What do you mean exactly?

Re: UK ‘must prepare for sudden collapse of Russia’

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post #16

https://archive.is/HCNIS TLDR: breathlessly portraying Putin as losing his grasp on power without new information. PS: it was 8,000 troops behind Prigozhin not 25,000 as misreported earlier. Prigozhin is exiled to Belarius, but Belarius is a satellite of Russian power. Putin is likely going to clean house (assuming events are what they seem), but it's far from clear what actually happened inside of Russia at this poi…

>and what we've been told has already been shown to be false information What do you mean exactly?

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Re: UK ‘must prepare for sudden collapse of Russia’

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https://archive.is/HCNIS TLDR: breathlessly portraying Putin as losing his grasp on power without new information. PS: it was 8,000 troops behind Prigozhin not 25,000 as misreported earlier. Prigozhin is exiled to Belarius, but Belarius is a satellite of Russian power. Putin is likely going to clean house (assuming events are what they seem), but it's far from clear what actually happened inside of Russia at this poi…

>It’s in my post.

So apart from opinions about what might happen in the future (that can't really be called "false information"), just "8,000 vs 25,000" discrepancy?

But that also can't be called "false information" as "25,000" is what Prigozhin publicly said he has, and that was correctly reported as such, and "8,000" is an estimation from "UK security sources" as I understand.

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