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Post by pandaman »

cmh89 wrote: post #559
pandaman wrote: post #556

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In every city I've lived in the US jaywalking is actually illegal, perhaps it should be legal and even encouraged in your opinion but until it is - it's your responsibility to follow the rules.

Who said anything about jaywalking? >t's your responsibility to follow the rules. Sure! And motorist need to follow the rules of the road. Unfortunately when they break the rules, which they do most of the time, they can easily end someones life. I'm guessing you're one of the good ones who definitely doesn't speed every time they are in the car.

The conversation is about pedestrians walking into traffic while staring in their phones, jaywalking in other words. Please don't try to ad hominem, it just shows that you don't have any arguments of substance and degrades the discussion.

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Post by gfdsgfsdgfs »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #308
CaptainMarvel wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t forget there have been massive loopholes in vehicle emission regulations which favour larger SUVs and pick-up trucks. If regulations actually focused on MPG, these vehicles would not be the size and weight that they are. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/cafe-lo... Right target. Bad implementation. Going forwards, with widespread electric vehicles, focusing directly on size and weight makes a…

Hang on! I was there in 2008 during carpocalypse. I’ve typed this before in detail, but this is NOT A LOOPHOLE! In 2008 Obama came in and made changes to CAFE and CARB with Californias very willing help. The news headline you might have seen, and just saw again this year with Biden Admin pushing it was “All vehicles to be XX MPG by 20YY” . To which people who know absolutely nothing about vehicles clap for. People wh…

You're right. A University of Michigan study predicted 12 years ago that cars would be bigger to "comply" with CAFE fuel standards.

https://me.engin.umich.edu/news-events/news/cafe-standards-c...

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Post by kaonashi »

LarryDarrell wrote: post #225
luxurytent wrote: post #11

I guess pickup trucks fall under the category of SUVs? It's wild how we've lost access to our streets and neighbourhoods for the convenience of mostly suburban vehicle users. Actually not wild, but disgraceful. The majority of roads are too wide and with little options for alternative modes of transport, drivers are growingly frustrated and angry on the road. We continue to make the mistake of thinking the solution i…

We've been regulating the wrong things when it comes to vehicles. Instead of being obsessed with MPG, we should have been obsessed with weight and size. There's no reason for a sedan to be heavier than 3000 lbs. There's no reason 1/2 ton pickups should be bigger than a 1994 Ford F150. Once a car is light and small(ish) the good MPG will follow. My 1988 Volvo 240 got 30mpg on a recent road trip and that's with it need…

mpg wouldn't be as bad as it is if they didn't allow the giant light truck loophole -- regulating on weight would have the same problems if they excepted a class of vehicles that everyone would then flock to

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Post by gfdsgfsdgfs »

dragonwriter wrote: post #363
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hang on! I was there in 2008 during carpocalypse. I’ve typed this before in detail, but this is NOT A LOOPHOLE! In 2008 Obama came in and made changes to CAFE and CARB with Californias very willing help. The news headline you might have seen, and just saw again this year with Biden Admin pushing it was “All vehicles to be XX MPG by 20YY” . To which people who know absolutely nothing about vehicles clap for. People wh…

CAFE has had an exception or lower standard for light trucks and an exception for heavy trucks since 1978, and vehicles used as passenger vehicles but meeting either of the truck categories have been incentivized since then; its not something that started 30 years later. The rise of SUVs and Minivans was a product of this — in the 1980s, not the late 00s.

Not true. CAFE was amended in the late 2000s to provide more fuel restrictions for smaller cars while keeping the same fuel restrictions for bigger cars. The result is bigger cars being made.

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Post by gfdsgfsdgfs »

raydev wrote: post #537
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hang on! I was there in 2008 during carpocalypse. I’ve typed this before in detail, but this is NOT A LOOPHOLE! In 2008 Obama came in and made changes to CAFE and CARB with Californias very willing help. The news headline you might have seen, and just saw again this year with Biden Admin pushing it was “All vehicles to be XX MPG by 20YY” . To which people who know absolutely nothing about vehicles clap for. People wh…

Hang on, the F-150 and Silverado started ballooning in the late 90s. The Hummer came, Nissan introduced their Titan truck in 2004, the Toyota Tundra got massive. All years before 2008. Regulations may have well prevented reversal, but the buying public was clearly already making its preferences loud and clear.

There were more fuel restrictions for smaller cars after the CAFE amendment of the late aughts. Automakers were incentivized to build bigger cars to get around the restrictions.

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

raydev wrote: post #537
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hang on! I was there in 2008 during carpocalypse. I’ve typed this before in detail, but this is NOT A LOOPHOLE! In 2008 Obama came in and made changes to CAFE and CARB with Californias very willing help. The news headline you might have seen, and just saw again this year with Biden Admin pushing it was “All vehicles to be XX MPG by 20YY” . To which people who know absolutely nothing about vehicles clap for. People wh…

Hang on, the F-150 and Silverado started ballooning in the late 90s. The Hummer came, Nissan introduced their Titan truck in 2004, the Toyota Tundra got massive. All years before 2008. Regulations may have well prevented reversal, but the buying public was clearly already making its preferences loud and clear.

Airbags, crash testing, NHTSA, fuel injection / data bussing, small changes to CAFE, comfort options, and emissions equipment all made vehicles get slightly larger, that’s true. But not “ballooning”.

The 2004 Nissan Titan you mentioned was smaller in every single dimension and aspect over its comparative 2004 Dodge Ram. That was Nissan trying to play big boy, but was nothing unusual.

I’m talking about everything. Take an entire line from a MFG and look at its model over model changes.

Find a vehicle that decreased in wheelbase. I wish you luck in your search.

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Post by marcosdumay »

evandale wrote: post #543
marcosdumay wrote: post #259

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> your groceries are fine being out in the heat for 20 minutes It's not 20 minutes. It's 20 minutes more than the normal trip duration. That 2 hours rule seems to be health related. But a lot of food gets bad much before it becomes unsafe to eat. Anyway, city traffic is not caused by people getting to a grocery store. That's all a red herring.

> That 2 hours rule seems to be health related. But a lot of food gets bad much before it becomes unsafe to eat. Name one that does that in a 6 hour time period. > It's not 20 minutes. It's 20 minutes more than the normal trip duration. Tomato tomato. It's a negligible time period. Food out for 3 hours and 20 minutes is not going to be worse off than food out for 3 hours. > Anyway, city traffic is not caused by peopl…

> Name one that does that in a 6 hour time period.

Ice cream that somebody already said around up-thread is an example. So I guess you are not very open to them.

> Food out for 3 hours and 20 minutes is not going to be worse off than food out for 3 hours.

There is a lot of difference between 30 and 50 minutes. But yeah, if you compare it to a decade, it's irrelevant too.

> City traffic is caused by people driving cars. People drive cars to grocery stores.

People drive cars to go to work and school. But yeah, why talk about 95% of the problem when we can focus on solving the 0.2% of it.

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Post by throwawaaarrgh »

roflyear wrote: post #273
throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #167

Does nobody else find it weird that in most of suburban America there are still no sidewalks? I was just driving around US1 in Connecticut and there were no sidewalks. Lots of people walking on grass beside the road to get to a bus stop. I guess if you're handicapped you just move.

There are sidewalks on much of US1, but no, it isn't surprising that more highway-like roads do not have sidewalks.

The speed limit is 35mph, there are 1-2 two lanes, plus an occasional middle turn lane, there are street lights, the roadway isn't elevated, and connects directly to businesses and homes.

I don't think there's a less highway-like road, other than dirt ones.

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Post by dragonwriter »

gfdsgfsdgfs wrote: post #564
dragonwriter wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CAFE has had an exception or lower standard for light trucks and an exception for heavy trucks since 1978, and vehicles used as passenger vehicles but meeting either of the truck categories have been incentivized since then; its not something that started 30 years later. The rise of SUVs and Minivans was a product of this — in the 1980s, not the late 00s.

Not true. CAFE was amended in the late 2000s to provide more fuel restrictions for smaller cars while keeping the same fuel restrictions for bigger cars. The result is bigger cars being made.

> Not true.

What isn't true? Nothing you said, even if it was true (it's not) contradicts anything in the grandparent post.

> CAFE was amended in the late 2000s to provide more fuel restrictions for smaller cars while keeping the same fuel restrictions for bigger cars.

No, it wasn’t. The footprint model within the passenger car class did differentiate by size, but it didn’t provide more restrictions for smaller cars while keeping larger cars the same.

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Post by pkulak »

loco5niner wrote: post #531
InSteady wrote: post #323

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Shame we can't instead invest billions into making public transit, especially the max lines running from the suburbs into downtown, far more efficient as a practical solution for commuters. The Esplanade is one of my favorite bike routes in the city, second only to the Springwater corridor. I love cruising up the East side and back on the West side while looking out over the Willamette. I'm going to be sad if that ro…

I'm hesitant to take the Max in Portland because of the homeless/drug problem and I'm a fairly big guy in the prime of life. Definitely not taking my family. I LOVE being able to cart my kids around in my perfectly sized and designed mini-van.

Statistically, the Max is way safer than your minivan. I take my family on the Max all the time.
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