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Re: Slashdot founder Rob Malda on why there won’t be another Hacker News (2013)

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Post by isaacremuant »

Etrnl_President wrote: post #112
isaacremuant wrote: post #110

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It's impressive how you don't get that the point stands because of the paradigm of users being tied to instances and not having the ability to construct themselves, what they want to see. You're comfortable with whatever you're doing and that's fine but for someone who is looking for my usecase ,which is more akin to Reddit and being able to pick the subs I see for myself, it's absolutely limiting. I don't care about…

Sounds like what you need is more like an overlaid comment section, perhaps through an app or browser extension, which you can apply to any website and article. Would be cool if such a thing existed.

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Re: Slashdot founder Rob Malda on why there won’t be another Hacker News (2013)

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Post by isaacremuant »

realitythreek wrote: post #109
isaacremuant wrote: post #108

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Thanks for the suggestion but it sounds utterly ridiculous to have to self host an instance just to achieve that usecase.

You don't have to self host. That was a suggestion if you couldn't find a single other instance out of the thousands that exist that meet your requirements.

Signal vs noise ratio is too high. My point is that the model of Blocklist from others is not enticing for any individualistisc user who values diversification of ideas and the fact that the default makes it a bad burden for the user who wants to try that, means that communities won't be formed that don't have that blocklist mindset, one way or another.

The model is too focused on closing down networks instead of invidual choice. Utility, since it's not like the internet where traffic is good, seems to be around creating extremely narrow minded pools with little crossover, since any exposure to widened thought can be immediately shut down (having already fragmented the communities unless they self host their instance, again, creating burden on the user for more Accounts)

Re: Slashdot founder Rob Malda on why there won’t be another Hacker News (2013)

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Post by realitythreek »

isaacremuant wrote: post #122
realitythreek wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't have to self host. That was a suggestion if you couldn't find a single other instance out of the thousands that exist that meet your requirements.

Signal vs noise ratio is too high. My point is that the model of Blocklist from others is not enticing for any individualistisc user who values diversification of ideas and the fact that the default makes it a bad burden for the user who wants to try that, means that communities won't be formed that don't have that blocklist mindset, one way or another. The model is too focused on closing down networks instead of inv…

I get the sense that you’ve not tried it and you’re speaking extremely generally. That’s fine, you don’t have to. I’ll stop here though until you have an informed perspective.

Re: Slashdot founder Rob Malda on why there won’t be another Hacker News (2013)

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Post by isaacremuant »

realitythreek wrote: post #124
isaacremuant wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Signal vs noise ratio is too high. My point is that the model of Blocklist from others is not enticing for any individualistisc user who values diversification of ideas and the fact that the default makes it a bad burden for the user who wants to try that, means that communities won't be formed that don't have that blocklist mindset, one way or another. The model is too focused on closing down networks instead of inv…

I get the sense that you’ve not tried it and you’re speaking extremely generally. That’s fine, you don’t have to. I’ll stop here though until you have an informed perspective.

Except that I have, extensively, but hey, calling me ignorant is really a great point instead of refuting anything I say.

I think you forgot this is HN where the standards are a bit higher and you get exposed to arguments that you may dislike. Account of 17 days too, so ironic.

Re: Slashdot founder Rob Malda on why there won’t be another Hacker News (2013)

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Post by realitythreek »

isaacremuant wrote: post #125
realitythreek wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get the sense that you’ve not tried it and you’re speaking extremely generally. That’s fine, you don’t have to. I’ll stop here though until you have an informed perspective.

Except that I have, extensively, but hey, calling me ignorant is really a great point instead of refuting anything I say. I think you forgot this is HN where the standards are a bit higher and you get exposed to arguments that you may dislike. Account of 17 days too, so ironic.

Your description of the fediverse isn’t accurate. You’ve had a few people tell you that and your attack on my supposed inexperience with HN isn’t relevant (and is also ironic). Apologies if you took my assumption as an insult.

Re: Slashdot founder Rob Malda on why there won’t be another Hacker News (2013)

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Post by jszymborski »

isaacremuant wrote: post #120
jszymborski wrote: post #56

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Join a member-owned co-op instance :) If set-up correctly the admins/mods are legally bound to be responsible to the members of the co-op. Judging by your comment though, I think we prefer very different levels of moderation, and I'd agree that culturally Masto trends towards heavier moderation.

I don't know why everyone is talking about mastodon. I'm not taking about mastodon. I've never used it nor do I like twitter as a space for conversation. I'm talking about the fediverse in general (activity pub protocol) and the paradigm of "basically following a block list" which, after seeing how mono narrative and US centric some online spaces tend to be, I don't find appealing. In particular my qualms were compar…

I mention Masto w.r.t. its moderation culture. I find other corners of the fedi have far different/laissez-faire moderation norms (e.g. Pleroma). Regardless of what the activitypub app is, moderation norms and moires form.

Large instance sizes are definitely a challenge re: accountability and much ink has been spilled on what the optimal instance size should be. There is definitely a sweet spot where one has strong representation but also belongs to a larger community that is capable, among other things, to maintain operations.

Re: Slashdot founder Rob Malda on why there won’t be another Hacker News (2013)

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skilled wrote: post #118
teolandon wrote: post #93

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Because you quoted a passage with about 5 statements that he could have been "wrong" about, and didn't specify which one you were talking about. (insert snarky emoticon here)

It was literally one statement. Please don't pull my leg like this because this site does have guidelines and it is very hard to obey by them when you're being challenged with ignorance.

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Re: Slashdot founder Rob Malda on why there won’t be another Hacker News (2013)

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Post by isaacremuant »

realitythreek wrote: post #126
isaacremuant wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that I have, extensively, but hey, calling me ignorant is really a great point instead of refuting anything I say. I think you forgot this is HN where the standards are a bit higher and you get exposed to arguments that you may dislike. Account of 17 days too, so ironic.

Your description of the fediverse isn’t accurate. You’ve had a few people tell you that and your attack on my supposed inexperience with HN isn’t relevant (and is also ironic). Apologies if you took my assumption as an insult.

In hackernews you're supposed to explain WHY. Some have been constructive points and I've answered. None really countered the problem and some accepted it's part of the paradigm.

You went with an ad hominem and double down on having no arguments.

Re: Slashdot founder Rob Malda on why there won’t be another Hacker News (2013)

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Post by realitythreek »

isaacremuant wrote: post #129
realitythreek wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your description of the fediverse isn’t accurate. You’ve had a few people tell you that and your attack on my supposed inexperience with HN isn’t relevant (and is also ironic). Apologies if you took my assumption as an insult.

In hackernews you're supposed to explain WHY. Some have been constructive points and I've answered. None really countered the problem and some accepted it's part of the paradigm. You went with an ad hominem and double down on having no arguments.

> Signal vs noise ratio is too high.

This isn’t saying anything other than your not a fan. Which as I said is fine.

> My point is that the model of Blocklist from others is not enticing for any individualistisc user who values diversification of ideas and the fact that the default makes it a bad burden for the user who wants to try that, means that communities won't be formed that don't have that blocklist mindset, one way or another. The model is too focused on closing down networks instead of invidual choice. Utility, since it's not like the internet where traffic is good, seems to be around creating extremely narrow minded pools with little crossover, since any exposure to widened thought can be immediately shut down.

This was unspecific/vague and not an accurate description of the fediverse. It’s a very diverse (unfortunately so in some cases) group of communities that interact with each other. Or don’t if they choose.

The value in allowing each instance to handle their own block list is that it scales and allows you to choose a server that shares your perspective. And basically if you disagree that this is the case, you’re free to change that and that’s the point. You have all of the choice.

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