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I'm Done with Red Hat (Enterprise Linux)

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Re: I'm Done with Red Hat (Enterprise Linux)

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Post by lproven »

vogon_laureate wrote: post #320
lproven wrote: post #205

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Hi there. I am the author of the Register article that you quote: > this was language The Register used in an article So, in response to that, I'd like to point out a few things. 1. This is, I feel, now widely and well-established language in this discussion. For example, note its use in the comments to this article about the discontinuation of CentOS Linux three years ago: https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-c…

If we’re very lucky, will Red Hat read some poetry to us first?

What a bizarrely appropriate screen name. I wonder if it will be friends with me?

Re: I'm Done with Red Hat (Enterprise Linux)

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Post by lproven »

OnlyMortal wrote: post #316
lproven wrote: post #205

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Hi there. I am the author of the Register article that you quote: > this was language The Register used in an article So, in response to that, I'd like to point out a few things. 1. This is, I feel, now widely and well-established language in this discussion. For example, note its use in the comments to this article about the discontinuation of CentOS Linux three years ago: https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-c…

So amazingly primitive they even think a digital watch is a pretty neat idea.

Ford?

Yes?

There's an infinite number of monkey outside, who want to share a single digital watch.

Re: I'm Done with Red Hat (Enterprise Linux)

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Post by ptoal »

realitythreek wrote: post #326
ptoal wrote: post #324

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The value in RHEL is not just in the ability to call Red Hat for support. I submit that much more of the value of RHEL is in the packaging and maintenance processes. Selecting software, making sure it's enterprise ready, patching it, backporting fixes, QA and regression testing, etc. From my view inside the machine, Red Hat is still committed to an opensource development model, and I don't see that changing any time…

I think that Redhat’s been failing at the PR part of their business. I agree with all of your points about their motivation and value. They’re a valuable part of the community. From an outsider’s perspective, they were merged with IBM, “killed off” CentOS, and restricted access to the sources of their distribution within a relatively short span. It just looks bad and makes everyone feel like they have to justify that…

From my position, I don't feel any IBM influence. In fact, if Red Hat were still a publicly traded stock, I believe the shareholders would have had much more influence than IBM is exercising right now. That said, from the outside looking in, I know that a lot of people have a negative view of IBM, and I can understand how they would come to the conclusion that this has something to do with IBM.

Fully agree on the "PR Problem". It's tough to "control the narrative" in OSS. Based on my observations, I think Red Hat's approach is: Deliver the facts, ride out the storm, pick up the pieces and move on.

Re: I'm Done with Red Hat (Enterprise Linux)

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Post by type0 »

barbariangrunge wrote: post #119
freedomben wrote: post #89

I don't think this sort of emotional, loose-facted "hot take" style response is real constructive. I'm unhappy about this decision by Red Hat, and am also very concerned about the trajectory RH is on. For the first time in well over a decade I'm re-evaluating which ecosystem to base all my work (and the company(ies) for who I make decisions). I don't believe that Red Hat's leadership cares a whole lot about open sour…

I'm personally impressed that Fedora is fully open source while being released by a for-profit company. I would have expected, when learning about this ecosystem, for Red Hat releases to be proprietary for 5 years, and then have those versions switch to a FOSS license, just as a way to ensure they can monetize their work. But Red Hat, at least in the past, sounds like they did something amazing, being able to go foss…

RH takes a lot of liberties with Fedora, sometimes those go at the expense of the users. I wish they would put it in a separate foundation, because as it is some redhatters think they are special i.e first class citizens when it comes to contributing to the distro, so a lot of valuable hobbyist contributions go unnoticed.

Re: I'm Done with Red Hat (Enterprise Linux)

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Post by type0 »

attentive wrote: post #304
ndiddy wrote: post #264

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A CentOS Stream release only gets updates as long as its equivalent RHEL release is in its "full support" period. In practice, this means that the support duration is cut from 10 years to 5 years. Additionally, CentOS Stream updates often lag behind RHEL updates. This is because Red Hat won't commit an embargoed security update to CentOS Stream until after it ships in RHEL, so the developers responsible for the updat…

That makes CentOS much less useful. Did they lie when they said it's upstream of RHEL?

They dind't lie, just kept silent of all uncomfortable truths, it soured my image of the RH the way they handled this

Re: I'm Done with Red Hat (Enterprise Linux)

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Post by type0 »

ptoal wrote: post #333
realitythreek wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that Redhat’s been failing at the PR part of their business. I agree with all of your points about their motivation and value. They’re a valuable part of the community. From an outsider’s perspective, they were merged with IBM, “killed off” CentOS, and restricted access to the sources of their distribution within a relatively short span. It just looks bad and makes everyone feel like they have to justify that…

From my position, I don't feel any IBM influence. In fact, if Red Hat were still a publicly traded stock, I believe the shareholders would have had much more influence than IBM is exercising right now. That said, from the outside looking in, I know that a lot of people have a negative view of IBM, and I can understand how they would come to the conclusion that this has something to do with IBM. Fully agree on the "PR…

> I believe the shareholders would have had much more influence than IBM is exercising right now.

Well, you answered yourself why it went as it did. Don't you think answering to your shareholders is what keeps the company competitive and on the right course?

Re: I'm Done with Red Hat (Enterprise Linux)

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Post by type0 »

symlinkk wrote: post #275
freedomben wrote: post #272

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It comes close, but doesn't fill the niche because according to Red Hat, CentOS Stream should not be used in production. People do and for the most part they have no issues, but as long as the maintainers themselves are telling people not to run it in production, I would never recommend somebody to use it for serious workloads. And if you can't use it for serious workloads, then you should invest your time into a dif…

If you’re running something in production you’re almost certainly making money off of it, so maybe you should send some of that money to RedHat for licenses?

You almost certainly not if you are in academia, why do you think Scientific Linux ever existed?

Re: I'm Done with Red Hat (Enterprise Linux)

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Post by gbraad »

freedomben wrote: post #89

I don't think this sort of emotional, loose-facted "hot take" style response is real constructive. I'm unhappy about this decision by Red Hat, and am also very concerned about the trajectory RH is on. For the first time in well over a decade I'm re-evaluating which ecosystem to base all my work (and the company(ies) for who I make decisions). I don't believe that Red Hat's leadership cares a whole lot about open sour…

this is how he is. this kind people ain't mine. the style of publications is YT based, clickbaity and aimed at social media: grabbing the attention and polarizing. this is why I was done with Geerling months ago. it does not help with the conversation/community.

Re: I'm Done with Red Hat (Enterprise Linux)

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Post by gbraad »

dylan604 wrote: post #239
freedomben wrote: post #89

I don't think this sort of emotional, loose-facted "hot take" style response is real constructive. I'm unhappy about this decision by Red Hat, and am also very concerned about the trajectory RH is on. For the first time in well over a decade I'm re-evaluating which ecosystem to base all my work (and the company(ies) for who I make decisions). I don't believe that Red Hat's leadership cares a whole lot about open sour…

Geerling is very good at getting his content to the top of lists. I had the same sentiments you have at the second post on this issue with Redhat. Occasionally, he'll post something that piques my interest, but most of the time his YT style "marketing" is just too over the top. I know he's doing it specifically to get those metrics, and I hope it works for him and the audience it gathers is what he's looking for. Sin…

YT style is well expressed. this social media style is click bait and rife of misunderstanding/misinformation.
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