The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)
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Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)
#392Earlier quoted context omitted.
Won't someone think of the shareholders? This denial of responsability is a cancer on society. Poor devs, they can do no better because their manager ordered them to. Poor managers, they can do no better because they must reach their OKRs. Poor CxOs, they can do no better because they must please the board. Poor board, who must maximize the returns of the shareholders. Poor shareholders, who just want their retiremen…
The next step in the chain: why do shareholders need retirement funds?
What I meant was: your and mine and everybodies retirement fund has shares of FB and Google in their portfolio, meaning, when we retire, we reap the benefits of the profits these companies made.
As others pointed out: The elite who own most of the share profit much more, of course.
Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)
#393Earlier quoted context omitted.
It would be nice if the technology people would stop expecting everyone to cater to them.
You mean market forces that pushes the companies that make their business less accessible? I personally don’t expect anything. I’ll just not go to places that don’t have information. That’s the market in action.
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#394Earlier quoted context omitted.
How big is the threat, though? What can even happen if someone takes control over Cloudflare? What if Cloudflare is malicious, what could they even do before people catch on it? I agree centralization is bad, but with Cloudflare (compared to Google), their main business model is this specific service (CDN, security, privacy, etc.). If they don't accomplish it, their business will die.
I wasn't even really thinking about the security issue on their side. My concern is they end up in cahoots with the government who gives them a list of political dissidents who then get blacklisted from half the web which people will jump to defend with "They're a private company, they can do what they want!"
That being said, if such accusations turn out to be true, then the reputation of Cloudflare should quickly degrade over time and people will stop using it.
Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)
#395I had an experience like this today when I tried to use GlassDoor for the first time. As a student making my first ever job applications, I wanted to see what salaries and work environments were like at particular employers. GlassDoor did the same scroll-locking tactic (so an element zapper like Ublock Origin's wouldn't resolve the issue), instructing me to register or sign in to view any information. So I registered…
Your expectation was that this information was free, and you got offended when you realised they trade in information and you have to pay with giving some back? This is not a dark pattern any more than giving a company like GlassDoor this information is a dark deed.
But whether it's a dark pattern is not what makes this particular instance egregious in my mind. I find it egregious as it places me in a situation where I have to either lie by providing false information and misusing the platform, or make an uninformed decision I may not otherwise have made to consequences that could potentially have been avoided were the decision in fact informed.
Consider a workplace culture rife with harassment. That's a harmful situation to enter. Reading reviews of an employers workplace culture on a platform like GlassDoor isn't going to make it impossible to encounter such environments, but it will make it easier to avoid them. But I'm forbidden from doing so because I cannot trade for it. As I indicated in my original comment, the implication here is that I'm only entitled to seek safe work environments if I can afford to pay for the privilege.
Per their own About page:
> Every day, we’re inspired by a vision to make positive workplace change through radical transparency. Through the products we make and the communities we create, we’re breaking down barriers that lead to discrimination, pay gaps, and toxic work environments.
This tactic of demanding upfront payment (in the form of a review) is antithetical to their stated goal and philosophy. As a user I think my other complaints are fair, but my offense, as you say, comes from this.
Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)
#396Earlier quoted context omitted.
How much do you pay? If your answer is non-zero, maybe you would have a point, but let's be honest, statistically it's highly unlikely that you do. Poor pnt12, wants people to work for them for free, and insult them while you're at it.
There is no option to pay. I would pay for gmail just for having access to customer service in case of account issue.
Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)
#397Earlier quoted context omitted.
The automatic "sign in with Google" prompt only shows up if you're already signed-in. So if you're not signed-in, it doesn't (and can't) display - because there's no logged-in session, there's no existing user. In case you're misunderstanding what we're discussing here - the feature in question is https://developers.google.com/identity/gsi/web/guides/offeri... . If you use extensions like Privacy Badger or other ads/…
That is incorrect. I am never logged into Google when browsing the web, and I see this goddamn popup on almost every website I visit. It looks slightly different than the one in your link, but no less annoying: https://i.imgur.com/GvIExQT.png
ITP 2.3 update a few years ago broke this feature, so on browsers with ITP - basically Safari and Firefox and Chrome on iOS - Google was essentially forced to change the UI, so that website owners implementing this feature now have the choice of either always displaying the unconditional dialog button like your screenshot, or not displaying at all on such browsers. Predictably, Google chose the default to be to display, and I would assume most website would not turn it off.
https://developers.google.com/identity/gsi/web/guides/itp seems to be their doc on this.
So both you and my original comment are conditionally correct. It works as I described on browsers without ITP 2.3, namely Chrome (except on iOS) and Edge (IIRC). On Safari and Firefox, it sounds like it would work as you described - I haven't tested this on those platforms yet myself but no reason not to trust the doc here.
Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)
#398Earlier quoted context omitted.
More convenient for the restaurant, less convenient for the customer. This defeats the whole purpose of a restaurant, which is to be convenient. If I wanted to be inconvenienced I would just buy groceries and cook them at home.
I don't think it's "the customer". I think it's you and some other folks who are in a relatively narrow customer niche who are very big on convenience and grew up on paper menus, making those feel convenient. I'd add that the whole purpose of a restaurant isn't convenience for the customer. That's the purpose of going there for many customers, which should of course be honored. But the purpose of them for restaurateu…
Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)
#399Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)
#400Earlier quoted context omitted.
It can, using CSS injection: example.com##body:style(overflow: auto !important)
That's kinda nice... trying to figure out if it needs to even be per-site or not... locking overflow's almost always gotta be hinky, doesn't it? Anyway, just wanted to say thanks.