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I'm sympathetic to Jeff's position, but this is I believe the third post from this individual about this topic to reach the HN front page in the last week. At this point I feel like there's no more blood to be wrung from this stone. Jeff is free to take his ball and go home with it - just like Red Hat, in fact - but I think we're past the "this is notable news" phase and another post from Jeff about his frustrations…
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The point is that this is a stupid decision. It will turn people off Red Hat, and at the same time it’s incredibly annoying and inconvenient for a large number of Rocky/Alma/etc users.
> It will turn people off Red Hat Will it turn paying customers off Red Hat? (Honest question)
RHEL isn't a choice for a lot of us. If you work in finserv/government (especially DoD), many/most of the time RHEL is effectively the only option.
That probably won't change will it?
Why not extend to Fedora? At the risk of starting a distro religious war… After many years away from the RedHat ecosystem I recently tried to stand up Fedora 37 and 38 to test it with Willow Inference Server. After hours and hours of poor and conflicting docs, random stability issues, various additional software repos of questionable quality, etc I gave up and proclaimed it officially unsupported. Why anyone would wa…
Oracle appears to have substantial influence over AlmaLinux at this point: "In the immediate term, our plan is to pull from CentOS Stream updates and Oracle Linux updates to ensure security patches continue to be released." I would be curious to know if Rocky will do the same, and what this will mean for binary RHEL compatibility and the direction of these platforms.
Oracle has no influence over AlmaLinux.
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You mean, the valuable support they are increasingly shifting to Colombia, Philippines and India?
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You are conflating geopolitics and economics that could concern someone who could end up being affected by such a trend (which the poster isn't, as they said later) with racism.
Is someone in a given country supposed to be HAPPY that a company founded in their country is intentionally putting support engineers within their founding country out of work, while simultaneously making support a worse experience for users?
Have you ever been in the situation of being on midnight call to the other side of the world while speaking with someone with whom you're having a mutually difficult time communicating? It sucks.
Moving support into localities for better servicing the customer is fine. This isn't the trend. Fuck RH and anyone else who does this.
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So you tried to run your app on it and ran into trouble, and you conclude that Fedora is an unstable hunk of shit? Also, this attitude that Fedora is just a tester for a commercial product is absurd. I suppose this is the same logic that makes CentOS Stream just a "beta" of RHEL (but strangely, these same people don't consider RHEL a "beta" for old CentOS even though consistency would demand this). Anecdotally, I've…
Old CentOS wasn't downstream from RHEL, it was a clone. While stream is upstream for RHEL.
I'm surprised at all of the drama surrounding Red Hat's decisions. Red Hat is a for-profit company and not a charity. They (Red Hat) don't make any claims of offering RHEL for free to the whole world. If you want that, Canonical's Ubuntu may be a better option for you. Am I missing something?
Why the suggestion for Canonical?
They've also been doing shady shit again recently. For instance, adding advertisements for their products to existing cli tools.
I haven't been tracking SUSE for a few years now, but they're they're not doing shady shit? Hopefully there's at least one good option in commercial-linux-land. ;)
I'm sympathetic to Jeff's position, but this is I believe the third post from this individual about this topic to reach the HN front page in the last week. At this point I feel like there's no more blood to be wrung from this stone. Jeff is free to take his ball and go home with it - just like Red Hat, in fact - but I think we're past the "this is notable news" phase and another post from Jeff about his frustrations…
I'm pretty sure Hacker News isn't the target audience for this post.
I usually write a blog post separate from the script of my video (this requires a lot more time, but I feel like audiences like HN deserve better writing than a YouTube script). But in this case I pasted the script almost verbatim (just adjusting formatting).
I'm sympathetic to Jeff's position, but this is I believe the third post from this individual about this topic to reach the HN front page in the last week. At this point I feel like there's no more blood to be wrung from this stone. Jeff is free to take his ball and go home with it - just like Red Hat, in fact - but I think we're past the "this is notable news" phase and another post from Jeff about his frustrations…
I'm pretty sure Hacker News isn't the target audience for this post.
I don't think this sort of emotional, loose-facted "hot take" style response is real constructive. I'm unhappy about this decision by Red Hat, and am also very concerned about the trajectory RH is on. For the first time in well over a decade I'm re-evaluating which ecosystem to base all my work (and the company(ies) for who I make decisions). I don't believe that Red Hat's leadership cares a whole lot about open sour…
That pretty much sounds like freeloading to me. Copyleft open source licenses allow freeloading [1], but they also allow Red Hat to gate source code. As long as they fulfill the license obligations towards their customers, it's fine.
Red Hat puts enormous amounts of money in the FLOSS ecosystem, I think it's completely fair for them to nudge customers with deep-enough pockets to pay for subscriptions. For other users, there are plenty of other options.
[1] For non-copyleft licenses, Red Hat are of course not obliged to provide source code.