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I'm Done with Red Hat (Enterprise Linux)

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Re: I'm Done with Red Hat (Enterprise Linux)

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Post by raverbashing »

re-thc wrote: post #8
hospitalJail wrote: post #4

Is this a clickbait title? Or do I misunderstand the word enterprise? They are not done with using Linux for "a project or undertaking, typically one that is difficult or requires effort." or "a business or company." They are no longer going to use a specific version of linux that was made by "a business or company." Do people really care that much about linux distros? Between 2 decades of personal use and a few year…

> Do people really care that much about linux distros? They sadly do. There's a whole wave of consultants and engineers tied to the RHEL ecosystem and wouldn't be able to install without typing "yum".

"sadly"?

Your second point is valid but it seems most developers today can't install anything that isn't an npm package

Re: I'm Done with Red Hat (Enterprise Linux)

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Post by gtirloni »

poo-yie wrote: post #7

I'm surprised at all of the drama surrounding Red Hat's decisions. Red Hat is a for-profit company and not a charity. They (Red Hat) don't make any claims of offering RHEL for free to the whole world. If you want that, Canonical's Ubuntu may be a better option for you. Am I missing something?

> Red Hat is a for-profit company

... built on top of software and labour contributed by others.

What you're missing is how the open source ethos works.

Re: I'm Done with Red Hat (Enterprise Linux)

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Post by teilo »

hospitalJail wrote: post #4

Is this a clickbait title? Or do I misunderstand the word enterprise? They are not done with using Linux for "a project or undertaking, typically one that is difficult or requires effort." or "a business or company." They are no longer going to use a specific version of linux that was made by "a business or company." Do people really care that much about linux distros? Between 2 decades of personal use and a few year…

Yes, we care about flavors of Linux in the enterprise. RHEL is an industry standard distribution that nearly all vendors support. We have a significant amount of commercial software that is only supported on RHEL or its derivates. Not running on a supported distro? You get no support. That’s a non-starter for mission critical systems in the enterprise.

We used to be able to run this software, fully supported, on CentOS. IBM pulled the rug out from under us. Rocky and Alma rose to the occasion, and the various vendors supported one or both, since it was still RHEL minus branding. Now IBM is cutting off those distros also in an attempt to force everyone into RHEL licenses and support contracts.

But because it IS Linux, after all, a lot of enterprises like mine have NEVER needed support for the OS itself. We just needed our vendors to support their software running on it, and we needed vulnarability patching on the OS, something which CentOS, Rocky, and Alma always provided.

If I had my way, 100% of what we run would be on Debian. I have Debian running everywhere possible. But not all 3rd party applications support Debian. I’m hoping that one consequence of IBM’s move here will be to drive them all to Debian.

Re: I'm Done with Red Hat (Enterprise Linux)

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Post by mynameisvlad »

poo-yie wrote: post #7

I'm surprised at all of the drama surrounding Red Hat's decisions. Red Hat is a for-profit company and not a charity. They (Red Hat) don't make any claims of offering RHEL for free to the whole world. If you want that, Canonical's Ubuntu may be a better option for you. Am I missing something?

I mean, they’re within their right to pull support, but people are equally within their right to point out how that is shooting themselves and the RHEL communities in the foot.

Re: I'm Done with Red Hat (Enterprise Linux)

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Post by hulitu »

re-thc wrote: post #8
hospitalJail wrote: post #4

Is this a clickbait title? Or do I misunderstand the word enterprise? They are not done with using Linux for "a project or undertaking, typically one that is difficult or requires effort." or "a business or company." They are no longer going to use a specific version of linux that was made by "a business or company." Do people really care that much about linux distros? Between 2 decades of personal use and a few year…

> Do people really care that much about linux distros? They sadly do. There's a whole wave of consultants and engineers tied to the RHEL ecosystem and wouldn't be able to install without typing "yum".

Was rpm -i deprecated ? /s

Re: I'm Done with Red Hat (Enterprise Linux)

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Post by woodruffw »

poo-yie wrote: post #7

I'm surprised at all of the drama surrounding Red Hat's decisions. Red Hat is a for-profit company and not a charity. They (Red Hat) don't make any claims of offering RHEL for free to the whole world. If you want that, Canonical's Ubuntu may be a better option for you. Am I missing something?

I don't think the author is expecting charitable behavior: it's more that Red Hat was deriving extraordinary amounts of value from his work, and was (partially) compensating for that by making his (and others') support for RHEL easier by providing them will access to RHEL.

In other words: Red Hat's behavior here is almost certainly going to make end-level support for their OS worse, not better, all for a tiny slice of their non-paying install base.

Re: I'm Done with Red Hat (Enterprise Linux)

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Post by pamhalpert »

gtirloni wrote: post #12
poo-yie wrote: post #7

I'm surprised at all of the drama surrounding Red Hat's decisions. Red Hat is a for-profit company and not a charity. They (Red Hat) don't make any claims of offering RHEL for free to the whole world. If you want that, Canonical's Ubuntu may be a better option for you. Am I missing something?

> Red Hat is a for-profit company ... built on top of software and labour contributed by others. What you're missing is how the open source ethos works.

>... built on top of software and labour contributed by others.

the irony of Rocky, Oracle, and etc just flat out ripping off Red Hat.... which is the exact move that caused this change lol

Re: I'm Done with Red Hat (Enterprise Linux)

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Post by lagniappe »

donatj wrote: post #10
poo-yie wrote: post #7

I'm surprised at all of the drama surrounding Red Hat's decisions. Red Hat is a for-profit company and not a charity. They (Red Hat) don't make any claims of offering RHEL for free to the whole world. If you want that, Canonical's Ubuntu may be a better option for you. Am I missing something?

You’re missing the fact that they are pedaling GPL software, and thus they are inclined to be offering it for free to the whole world, definitionally.

I'm asking this non-facetiously: Is there a wikipedia page or a written record of all the people/corps who've been taken to task in court over a GPL violation, or a large company such as IBM? If yes, was the penalty commensurate?

Re: I'm Done with Red Hat (Enterprise Linux)

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Post by re-thc »

raverbashing wrote: post #11
re-thc wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do people really care that much about linux distros? They sadly do. There's a whole wave of consultants and engineers tied to the RHEL ecosystem and wouldn't be able to install without typing "yum".

"sadly"? Your second point is valid but it seems most developers today can't install anything that isn't an npm package

> "sadly"?

In response to the origin post that Linux is Linux. Kubernetes and Docker tries really hard to hide this differentiator of Linux distros.

> but it seems most developers today can't install anything that isn't an npm package

It gets worse than that. It's a daily struggle to explain the different between npm, yarn and pnpm for example. If only they understood what is "an npm package".

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