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Why Britain doesn’t build

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Re: Why Britain doesn’t build

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There's loads of houses being built in the UK (often of questionable quality, built for maximum profit, packed into minimal amounts of space). It may still not be enough to match the demand, but the real problem is we don't seem to be building any infrastructure to support these homes. More people and more homes requires more roads, railways, hospitals, police stations, power stations, sewer capacity, even reservoirs…

The graphs in the article indicate there aren't loads of houses being built.

Depends on the definition of 'loads'.

For residents of small to medium sized towns and villages (where there's plenty of land available), the rapid sprawl and worstening traffic is incredibly visible.

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The housing crisis is universal. There's been growing inability to build in many countries, as the article readily admits. People can't afford homes across the world: USA, Canada, Australia, even China, where supply isn't a problem per se.

The article should then address this global phenomenon rather than conclude it is a "political problem", suggesting it is some kind of peculiar ideology exported out of Britain.

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There's loads of houses being built in the UK (often of questionable quality, built for maximum profit, packed into minimal amounts of space). It may still not be enough to match the demand, but the real problem is we don't seem to be building any infrastructure to support these homes. More people and more homes requires more roads, railways, hospitals, police stations, power stations, sewer capacity, even reservoirs…

Infrastructure isn't perfect, but we talk about housing shortages because people earning double the national average wage rent rooms with other professionals in houses designed for a single family whilst trying to save up double their annual wage for a deposit on a >25 year mortgage on a flat. Whereas for all the UK's infrastructure problems, power brownouts due to lack of generation capability or lack of a local police station aren't really things people suffer from.

Hard to pretend the real problem is the rail network when we have more miles of rail network and fewer houses per person than most of the rest of the world. And the UK talks about its healthcare issues non-stop, but not in the context of housing because it isn't the same problem.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note: I originally said Britain built 30k houses last year, which commenters have corrected. Thank you! I don't really understand all this. Surely the main reason for a lack of housing is the difference between house demand (e.g. Britain took in 606k people in net immigration last year) compared to house supply (Britain built I think around 200k houses last year). The state shouldn't need to build houses (in fact it…

> Britain built I think around 30k houses last year The latest house building statistics show that in the financial year ending March 2022 there were 204,530 dwellings completed in the UK. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/housing/...

When you consider there are decades of under supply to make up for, this is still a paltry figure.

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This is an interesting political trap for the ruling Conservatives that they have made for themselves.

The traditional Conservative voter is a home-owner. So you might be a rabid socialist in your youth, but once you get a job, save up for a deposit, and buy your own home, you eventually transition to become yet another middle-aged Tory voter.

That pipeline is now broken - young people are unable to save up for their own home or get a mortgage, unless they have generational wealth. House rises have risen sharply and wages have remained stagnant, and now we have inflation - for necessities like food and bills - eating into what little people had to begin with.

The solution of course is damn the torpedoes and embark on a massive house-building programme like in the post-war period, but a) the post-Thatcher Conservatives consider that against everything they believe in, and b) current home owners - their ageing voting base - are NIMBYs who don't want the wrong sort of people living near them and any reduction in demand that would reduce their value of their homes (and they're going to need to sell their homes soon, to pay for social and health care in an increasingly threadbare welfare state).

The British press of course likes to blame "woke millenials" or whatever to keep their geriatric readership happy but this is the real reason for the collapse in the Tory vote in the under 50s.

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Britain's energy-per-capita has collapsed since 1965 [0]. How are they meant to build houses and live in them without energy? Construction is one of the most energy-intensive activities we have, and maintaining a warm home is up there. Britain is one of the usual suspects who listened to environmentalists, fought nuclear, let fossil fuels slide and bet big on renewables. They're going to need to have a bit of a focus…

Energy use per capita has dropped because people are using less electricity, and generation has dropped to match. Power systems need to be operated so that demand very closely matched supply from second to second. If people use more, more power can be generated. The grid is not at capacity.

I agree with you that cheap, sustainable power sources need to be found but I’m not quite understanding your argument for why.

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There's loads of houses being built in the UK (often of questionable quality, built for maximum profit, packed into minimal amounts of space). It may still not be enough to match the demand, but the real problem is we don't seem to be building any infrastructure to support these homes. More people and more homes requires more roads, railways, hospitals, police stations, power stations, sewer capacity, even reservoirs…

One of my pet peeves is that UK infrastructure focus seems to be about getting people to the centre of London faster, and that just makes the pressure on London greater at excessive costs, and then you start the cycle all over.

You see that even with HS1 and HS2, where instead of focusing on lines towards London it'd have been better to strengthen the triangle of Leeds, Sheffield, Manchester, and pour money into effectively creating a bigger "third city". Then maybe link Birmingham, and purposefully delay any links to London.

The problem with linking everything to London is that while it makes it easier to work from further out, it also makes London ever more attractive.

But even on a more local level, I wish instead of spending in the centre of London, focus shifted to bypassing the centre. E.g. I live in Croydon. Croydon has rail towards multiple towns around London, but anything not on the main lines in towards London doesn't have commuter level rail services running on them, or in some cases have no passenger trains at all.

Which means that many towns are easier reached by taking a detour in towards the centre and out again, which again means there's an incentive for businesses etc. to be closer to the centre. Even when in towards the centre and out again would be the shortest route, it might be beneficial to encourage avoiding the busy routes towards the centre.

Which again means that a whole lot of towns where there are town centres that have huge potential for large increases in density, and potential for lower cost upgrades of other infrastructure, without affecting the green belt, but where the demand is not there for that density increase because of the lack of efficient transport.

Addressing the infrastructure problem by upgrading and committing to commuter level services to connect more of these towns together so they form more viable counter-weights to the city centres they are around would make it a lot easier to address the issues you're mentioning at far lower costs than yet another big infra upgrade like HS2 or another line in London.

Successive UK governments seem to have been more focused on retrospectively managing demand surges than planning ahead, and as a result seems to be inducing demand that drives more surges to be managed and ever higher costs.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Our elected leadership are captive to stupid market force arguments Perhaps recently, but the state driven housebuilding programs have met similar failures. Local authorities and their residents seem equally hostile to housebuilding whether it's made by the private sector or public sector (see the backlash faced by Labour governments under Harold Wilson or Tony Blair). Perhaps one of the better arguments against de…

> Local authorities and their residents seem equally hostile to housebuilding whether it's made by the private sector or public sector In my experience (in Edinburgh) the vast majority of people I speak to tend to view the private developments (especially the insatiable appetite for student accommodation) and short term lets far less favourably. Granted, Edinburgh is a special case with an incredibly high demand for…

Unfortunately it's hard to observe the public reaction to state led housebuilding without resorting to historical examples because there's so little happening at the moment.

Re: Why Britain doesn’t build

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There's loads of houses being built in the UK (often of questionable quality, built for maximum profit, packed into minimal amounts of space). It may still not be enough to match the demand, but the real problem is we don't seem to be building any infrastructure to support these homes. More people and more homes requires more roads, railways, hospitals, police stations, power stations, sewer capacity, even reservoirs…

We need to build houses at least as fast as the population grows. Because this has not happened for decades, we need to build houses even faster than that, to clear the backlog. This is not happening. Meanwhile, no-one will build infrastructure for settlements that do not yet exist, and we consistently elect a party that believes in less, rather than more, infrastructure in general. Rather than an investment, Tories…

> We need to build houses at least as fast as the population grows. Because this has not happened for decades.

Over those decades UK population growth [1] is lower than the new house building rate [see chart in article].

[1] https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/GBR/united-kingdom/pop...

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