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Re: The dangers of tea drinking in nineteenth century Ireland

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Post by 0ct4via »

maksimur wrote: post #17
5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #11

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> only the English who have such a close relationship to tea ... excluding Japan, China, Russia, all of Central Asia (where I am from), and probably many other countries. So typical for HN.

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tea_consu... , Turkey is the top tea-consuming country per capita, with Ireland second and UK third. Interestingly, Russia isn't too far off either. I would've assumed Russia to be among the countries with the lowest per capita tea consumption, but these numbers challenge that assumption. I wonder what (cultural?) factors affect those numbers.

Piggybacking off your assumption of Russia having low tea consumption, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_tea_culture is very much a thing.

Re: The dangers of tea drinking in nineteenth century Ireland

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Post by unmole »

maksimur wrote: post #17
5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> only the English who have such a close relationship to tea ... excluding Japan, China, Russia, all of Central Asia (where I am from), and probably many other countries. So typical for HN.

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tea_consu... , Turkey is the top tea-consuming country per capita, with Ireland second and UK third. Interestingly, Russia isn't too far off either. I would've assumed Russia to be among the countries with the lowest per capita tea consumption, but these numbers challenge that assumption. I wonder what (cultural?) factors affect those numbers.

Pakistan at number 4 and India isn't even listed. Yeah, I'm not going to take that list seriously.

Re: The dangers of tea drinking in nineteenth century Ireland

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Post by Ekaros »

pja wrote: post #18
5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #11

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> only the English who have such a close relationship to tea ... excluding Japan, China, Russia, all of Central Asia (where I am from), and probably many other countries. So typical for HN.

In terms of per capita consumption China and Japan are nowhere near the biggest tea drinking cultures in the world: There's a wide gulf between them & the top three which includes the UK & Ireland. But they in turn trail in the wake of the biggest tea drinkers of them all: the Turks. If we're going to talk about cultures which have a close relationship with tea then the Turks beat out everyone else by a wide margin.

I wonder if this comes down to how tea is made. Per capita consumption of leaves do not account on process or type used.

Maybe per volume might be best option, but that might be very hard to track.

Re: The dangers of tea drinking in nineteenth century Ireland

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Post by dgunay »

maksimur wrote: post #17
5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> only the English who have such a close relationship to tea ... excluding Japan, China, Russia, all of Central Asia (where I am from), and probably many other countries. So typical for HN.

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tea_consu... , Turkey is the top tea-consuming country per capita, with Ireland second and UK third. Interestingly, Russia isn't too far off either. I would've assumed Russia to be among the countries with the lowest per capita tea consumption, but these numbers challenge that assumption. I wonder what (cultural?) factors affect those numbers.

I can confirm that Turks do drink quite a lot of tea. When I visit my family, it's Rize çayı with every meal. People visiting? Everyone has some tea. Sitting down for some TV? More tea. Several glasses at a time usually. It might have been just because I was visiting, but if those numbers are true then it probably is because they just drink that much tea.

Re: The dangers of tea drinking in nineteenth century Ireland

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Post by saiya-jin »

trilbyglens wrote: post #14
ilyt wrote: post #6

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That kind of shit is why I hate dealing with people, same thing happens here in Poland but with food. I just started saying "nope, I'm too fat for that"

man, I totally feel the same. The number of times I've been forced to eat 2-3x what I normally would, at times when I'm not even hungry are too numerous to count. American living in Prague...

Yeah, I hate this retarded dance of dishonesty and bullshit. It took me a good decade to drill it into my grandparents that NO means NO and I am a grown up man, my word reflects my honest opinion and its not going to change just because you ask 3 more times. Then people wonder why kids are dishonest if they are shown these stupid illogical things from early childhood.

On top of that overeating, overdrinking etc are simply very bad habits that your closest ones drill into you. But once you succeed, world becomes a bit better place for you.

Re: The dangers of tea drinking in nineteenth century Ireland

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Post by [deleted] »

unmole wrote: post #32
maksimur wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tea_consu... , Turkey is the top tea-consuming country per capita, with Ireland second and UK third. Interestingly, Russia isn't too far off either. I would've assumed Russia to be among the countries with the lowest per capita tea consumption, but these numbers challenge that assumption. I wonder what (cultural?) factors affect those numbers.

Pakistan at number 4 and India isn't even listed. Yeah, I'm not going to take that list seriously.

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Re: The dangers of tea drinking in nineteenth century Ireland

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Post by saiya-jin »

trilbyglens wrote: post #13
Octabrain wrote: post #7

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Why "hate"? I personally find fascinating that kind of implicit cultural rules.

Because once you see the pattern it can become an oppressive social requirement. I'm american but have been living in Czechia for about 15 years, and I've seen friendships blown up due to shit like "we visited and he didn't even offer us lunch", or "she didn't even offer to pay for lunch". It's fun when you are a visitor and you can view it from a distance, but when it's the local unaware social OS, it's got a far di…

You can train people, at least sane people you actually care about. It takes some time, but unless they are dense as neutron star, they will grok it eventually. Wrap it up in talk about honesty, being a man who talks and thinks straight. Also, this should not be the issue with young folks, only older generations are like that.

Re: The dangers of tea drinking in nineteenth century Ireland

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Post by maksimur »

unmole wrote: post #32
maksimur wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tea_consu... , Turkey is the top tea-consuming country per capita, with Ireland second and UK third. Interestingly, Russia isn't too far off either. I would've assumed Russia to be among the countries with the lowest per capita tea consumption, but these numbers challenge that assumption. I wonder what (cultural?) factors affect those numbers.

Pakistan at number 4 and India isn't even listed. Yeah, I'm not going to take that list seriously.

If you have better sources than the ones on Wikipedia you're welcome to edit it.

Re: The dangers of tea drinking in nineteenth century Ireland

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Post by mandmandam »

bartislartfast wrote: post #28
mordae wrote: post #8

Truth be told, boiling tea leaves continuously does extract all the tanins and could lead to gastric distress for some. Better to make the tea the usual way and then keep it warm. You can use the leaves multiple times, though.

I remember when the TV show Broadchurch came out, and David Tennant's character made tea in the microwave, and there was national uproar in Britain. Later several scientific articles pointed out this is actually a better way to make tea. This event, along with Brexit and Covid, will surely be recognised by historians as the beginning of the downfall of the UK

> a better way to make tea.

'Extracting more beneficial compounds' is not the same thing as a better cup of tea. Microwaved tea is a travesty.

And, to be fair to David Tennant, he didn't brew the tea in a microwave, merely heated it up in one. Which is still horrific, but not quite the atrocity that brewing tea in a microwave would be.

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