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The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by Eisenstein »

jitix wrote: post #181
iamleppert wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If giving people the choice of an ad-free premium subscription was more profitable, they would do it. The issue with doing that is the users who pay are also the most desirable audience for advertisers. A premium model also eventually creates two separate products. The free product is (at first) built for the needs of the users to attract them and get enough volume to support an advertisement model. Then, it is gradu…

I understand how the market works and how the Gompertz curve looks for new product lifecycles. I have a (professionally useless) masters degree in that. My question is, what’s your solution? The shareholders/stock market (largely represented by the board) will replace any CEO who doesn’t employ patterns (dark, fu, whatever) to maximize revenue. And private companies can’t raise capital easily nor can they give Option…

> My question is, what’s your solution?

Legislation around mergers and acquisitions. Enforcement of existing anti-trust legislation.

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Post by user3939382 »

I_am_uncreative wrote: post #281
Luctct wrote: post #135

I have a bigger beef with other Fuck You patterns. 1. The increasingly high number of sites that will show a blank page when I disable Javascript. 2. The increasingly high number of sites that will show a blank page when I disable cookies even if I have no intention to login and often the site doesn't even involve any kind of membership. 3. Sites that refuse me their content because my browser "is no longer supported…

What's wrong with Cloudflare?

Among other possible criticisms, they hold too much power. So much of the web is behind their walls, if let's say you couldn't access them or decided you didn't want to communicate with CF, huge portions of the web would become off limits.

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Post by spacebacon »

Try to delete your facebook account, then interrupt the process somehow. In my case the menus and deep links changed totally, and it took me 20 minutes to eventually navigate to the new delete account area. I was given a notice that some users may have different menu options as well as a message along the lines of “we are updating menus”. However, this has been a steady experience with facebook over the years. There is always a fuck you pattern waiting for you to behave differently than the herd.

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Post by Mizoguchi »

EA-3167 wrote: post #319
salawat wrote: post #316

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>Few people are deluded enough or so engaged with self-love that they think their ideas and behavior are world-changing. ...And everyone walking around with an attitude like that is exactly why the world is as shitty as it is. The world is the sum of all of us. Think better of yourself and your time, and do everything you can to make life harder for those that would try to sell you on cheapening it, and you just migh…

That's a remarkably moralistic and simplistic view that ignores the realities and mechanics of large-scale power. Simply LARPing as though we're world-changing with our banal existence isn't helpful, it's pure self-indulgence. Unless you're very wealthy, very violent, or very committed to a cause (often to the point of entering politics or raising/moving money) your individual contribution is negligible.

Individual contributions may be negligible at a large scale in the short term but they have the potential for global impact if you give them enough time, not talking about a few years but generations.

An uneducated mechanic and his wife decide to give an unwanted child a home, dad builds a workbench for his son and teaches him how to use tools to break, fix and build things, inadvertently setting in motion the beginning of Apple.

Sure, there were other events Jobs parents had absolutely no control over, like those that led Bill Fernandez to the same school as Jobs.

But it is undeniable that without Paul and Clara Jobs adopting Steve there would be no Apple and the world would look completely different today.

So through our small, individual contributions we can definitely nudge the world to follow a particular direction, and if enough people do it, it is expected that once in a while one of us actually ends up changing the world.

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Post by wpm »

wilde wrote: post #256
kitanata wrote: post #236

I noticed a particularly dark pattern when I used Keeps, by Thirty Madison. They tell you, that you can cancel or pause at anytime but that is a lie. They over-prescribe their medication, and if you try to pause delivery, they automatically resume it after 3 months. You cannot pause, for longer than 3 months. If you want to cancel, you have to call them where they harass you into staying. This is not how you should d…

This is what chargebacks are for.

This is why I use one-time use CC numbers to sign up for most things. They can send me all the pathetic “hmm we’re having trouble renewing your subscription” emails they want, they just make me laugh.

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

lyvxh wrote: post #277
DelightOne wrote: post #266

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Why can't UBlock Origin do that?

It can, using CSS injection: example.com##body:style(overflow: auto !important)

That's kinda nice... trying to figure out if it needs to even be per-site or not... locking overflow's almost always gotta be hinky, doesn't it?

Anyway, just wanted to say thanks.

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Post by efreak »

ProtoAES256 wrote: post #309
TheAngush wrote: post #186

I had an experience like this today when I tried to use GlassDoor for the first time. As a student making my first ever job applications, I wanted to see what salaries and work environments were like at particular employers. GlassDoor did the same scroll-locking tactic (so an element zapper like Ublock Origin's wouldn't resolve the issue), instructing me to register or sign in to view any information. So I registered…

For a circumvention method, I suggest using the following script javascript:var r="html,body{overflow:auto !important;}"; var s=document.createElement("style"); s.type="text/css"; s.appendChild(document.createTextNode(r)); document.body.appendChild(s); void 0; I bookmarked the script and click it whenever uBo blocks the site popup but not enabling the scroll. It works most of the time in my quite long usage. Though I…

This can be automated with stylish (or fork) or tampermonkey. I've used to run a userscript on every page to prevent it from intercepting ESC, thanks to squarespace making ESC navigate you away from the current page to the site login. Thankfully the site I used to visit is no longer hosted by squarespace and they seem to have gotten it together to stop intercepting it elsewhere.

Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by efreak »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #327
NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #229

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Dev tools, look at the html and body element, and uncheck overflow:hidden. Plus a strategic delete or two on the DOM tree.

They're getting sneaky about where the overflow:hidden is applied these days, and one site I encountered had JS that polled that attribute and reapplied it if it was modified. I was impressed at their commitment to dickery.

    Array.from(document.body.querySelectorAll('html,body, body > *, body > * > *')).forEach(e=>e.style.overflow='default!important')
Adjust number of levels as necessary. Adjust overrides as necessary. Array.from is probably overkill, but allows for more advanced queries like `e.parentNode.textContent.trim().toLowerCase().indexOf('sponsored')==0`

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Post by ProtoAES256 »

efreak wrote: post #347
ProtoAES256 wrote: post #309

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For a circumvention method, I suggest using the following script javascript:var r="html,body{overflow:auto !important;}"; var s=document.createElement("style"); s.type="text/css"; s.appendChild(document.createTextNode(r)); document.body.appendChild(s); void 0; I bookmarked the script and click it whenever uBo blocks the site popup but not enabling the scroll. It works most of the time in my quite long usage. Though I…

This can be automated with stylish (or fork) or tampermonkey. I've used to run a userscript on every page to prevent it from intercepting ESC, thanks to squarespace making ESC navigate you away from the current page to the site login. Thankfully the site I used to visit is no longer hosted by squarespace and they seem to have gotten it together to stop intercepting it elsewhere.

This script sometimes break the normal flow of interactive type pages, so I don't think it is that applicable to all pages. Great thinking though!

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Post by DropInIn »

eddythompson80 wrote: post #241
DropInIn wrote: post #222

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So blind people are required to give a stranger thier unlocked phone? Really, there's not a single thing that can be said to make it less stupid.

Or they can touch and feel the QR sticker and scan it. QR and bar codes are also increasingly more embossed or have borders specifically for that reason. There are special QR reader apps for the blind that help with that more. It is generally the more recommended way by AFB for making your products accessible for the blind https://www.afb.org/blindness-and-low-vision/using-technolog...

How are they to know it's a QR code?

They don't put them in the same spot always and there's often a no smoking or other stick as well, often several.

I could go on but really....

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