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The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by jokoon »

macNchz wrote: post #61

Reddit’s mobile web experience really embraces this–even as a logged in user there is a frequent “Use our app!” popup that has been made progressively more obnoxious. Once upon a time there was a preference option to disable the popup, though it would periodically become unchecked on its own. Then the option to disable it disappeared. Then the popup started appearing not just on page load, but after a period of time…

This is the well known strategy of squeezing a lemon.

It's very profitable, and it's more profitable the more you destroy the lemon.

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Post by acover »

flangola7 wrote: post #320
acover wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's surprising. How do you trivially detect bad data? (Beyond extreme examples like below minimum wage) Even when you know the true distribution (in which case why ask for more data) you can only remove outliers. But outliers exist. There are techniques for when someone enters many numbers but I don't know any for 1 number.

For one, how carefully did the user input information into fields. If you're making it up, it will be much faster and less hesitant than a legitimate entry. That and a hundred other data points help create a ML model that reliability identifies illegitimate activity.

Cool! That actually exists, more or less: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-20462-6

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Post by Aerbil313 »

pnt12 wrote: post #274
janandonly wrote: post #70

I feel the same burning hate like a thousand suns for FB/Meta, Google/YT and other platforms that monetize their users. But, let's be frank here: They monetize you and me, us, the users because 1 they can and, 2, they have to. Yes, they have to. Imagine they provided access to their platforms for free. How would the shareholders (your retirement funds included) respond when less profit was made? You see, we view them…

Won't someone think of the shareholders? This denial of responsability is a cancer on society. Poor devs, they can do no better because their manager ordered them to. Poor managers, they can do no better because they must reach their OKRs. Poor CxOs, they can do no better because they must please the board. Poor board, who must maximize the returns of the shareholders. Poor shareholders, who just want their retiremen…

You very accurately described an example of large technological-societal systems’ overall situation not being subject to rational human control.

Yes, read some Ted Kaczynski.

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Post by skydhash »

klausa wrote: post #117
SoftTalker wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If QR is the only option, I make the server tell me what's on the menu. I'm an old guy with bad eyes I'm not going to try to read your menu on a 5" phone screen in a dim restaurant.

Genuinely asking: wouldn’t a phone be _better_ for you? Reading a _paper_ menu in a dim room is a miserable experience, but you can zoom in as much as you want on a phone, and you control the brightness of it, and don’t have to angle the piece of paper to catch as much light as possible?

I have astigmatism and reflected light is a lot better than direct light. Reading on a phone or a laptop screen without glasses is a massive pain. But I don’t go everywhere with them, and I’d prefer using my phone flashlight to read the paper menu.

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Post by GuB-42 »

bombcar wrote: post #4

The Pinterest::Google interaction is the most annoying of these; it seems impossible to find an image result from Google on the page Pinterest shows you.

It seems that the situation has improved a bit lately, I still get the Pinterest links, but not only I tend to get the actual image a bit more often, but Pinterest results get lower ranks. Essentially "we couldn't find anything good, so here is a Pinterest link so that the result page is not empty".

Or maybe it is just me and Google profiling algorithms finally realized that I don't like Pinterest results.

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Post by EdwardDiego »

TheAngush wrote: post #186

I had an experience like this today when I tried to use GlassDoor for the first time. As a student making my first ever job applications, I wanted to see what salaries and work environments were like at particular employers. GlassDoor did the same scroll-locking tactic (so an element zapper like Ublock Origin's wouldn't resolve the issue), instructing me to register or sign in to view any information. So I registered…

Just do what everyone else does, say you work at Google and you're leaving because the quality of the free t-shirts is declining.

I think they removed my review, but they still let me in afterwards.

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Post by EdwardDiego »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #229
TheAngush wrote: post #186

I had an experience like this today when I tried to use GlassDoor for the first time. As a student making my first ever job applications, I wanted to see what salaries and work environments were like at particular employers. GlassDoor did the same scroll-locking tactic (so an element zapper like Ublock Origin's wouldn't resolve the issue), instructing me to register or sign in to view any information. So I registered…

Dev tools, look at the html and body element, and uncheck overflow:hidden. Plus a strategic delete or two on the DOM tree.

They're getting sneaky about where the overflow:hidden is applied these days, and one site I encountered had JS that polled that attribute and reapplied it if it was modified.

I was impressed at their commitment to dickery.

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Post by latency-guy2 »

pnt12 wrote: post #274
janandonly wrote: post #70

I feel the same burning hate like a thousand suns for FB/Meta, Google/YT and other platforms that monetize their users. But, let's be frank here: They monetize you and me, us, the users because 1 they can and, 2, they have to. Yes, they have to. Imagine they provided access to their platforms for free. How would the shareholders (your retirement funds included) respond when less profit was made? You see, we view them…

Won't someone think of the shareholders? This denial of responsability is a cancer on society. Poor devs, they can do no better because their manager ordered them to. Poor managers, they can do no better because they must reach their OKRs. Poor CxOs, they can do no better because they must please the board. Poor board, who must maximize the returns of the shareholders. Poor shareholders, who just want their retiremen…

How much do you pay?

If your answer is non-zero, maybe you would have a point, but let's be honest, statistically it's highly unlikely that you do.

Poor pnt12, wants people to work for them for free, and insult them while you're at it.

Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by lamontcg »

mdale wrote: post #304
lamontcg wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A nonprofit that wasn't a publicly traded company would a viable alternative model. It wouldn't need to have the same insane up-and-to-the-right incentives and drive to toxic monetization.

Wikipedia "donate now" campaigns can get pretty front and center. Maybe not quite the same level; but non profits also have a tendency to push hard on donations.

That is incredibly mild compared to how much facebook, reddit, twitter and google are monetizing their users.
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