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Re: How the most popular cars in the US track drivers

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Post by foobarbecue »

calvinmorrison wrote: post #56
foobarbecue wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you know if your 2002 has side-impact anti-intrusion bars in the doors? I loved my 1999 Isuzu Amigo, and was sad when I was rear-ended in 2017 and had to get rid of it, but that fender bender probably saved my life. I replaced the Amigo with a 2014 Outlander Sport and in 2019 I was t-boned at an intersection, with the other car driving directly into my driver's side door. I was amazed to find that I escaped withou…

Like these? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Cr... For reference the 9000 entered the US market in the mid 80s

Yes. According to wikipedia, they were invented by GM in 1969, but it seems they didn't become a standard safety feature until the 2000s.

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Post by jklinger410 »

blueridge wrote: post #2

https://archive.is/9IU8W I've got an old (2002) car, I love the buttons and knobs. No cameras, no screens, no key fob, no voice control, no electronic "safety" features, no tracking. The 4L straight six engine is still going strong at almost 300,000 miles. What's funny is watching my friends attempt to back out of the driveway or parking lot without a camera and screen. They put it in reverse and their eyes go right…

This is one of the most hacker news comments of all time.

Absolutely critical levels of "kids these days."

"Driving was better before it was easy!" It must be exhausting to think this way.

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Post by woobar »

Waterluvian wrote: post #23
Tarball10 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does refusing to use the rear view camera have to do with data collection? Those were added because kids were getting run over and killed by reversing vehicles. It seems irresponsible to not check it (along with all the other normal checks you do when reversing).

Reverse cameras are one of the best things to happen to automobile safety in a long time. The automatic obstacle detection and braking is so great. I’m delighted that it’s such a success that it’s standard in every new car.

It is now standard (at least in the US) because it was mandated by law (in 2007). USDOT took some sweet time to implement it, but it was required by 2018.

Re: How the most popular cars in the US track drivers

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Post by CrendKing »

blueridge wrote: post #2

https://archive.is/9IU8W I've got an old (2002) car, I love the buttons and knobs. No cameras, no screens, no key fob, no voice control, no electronic "safety" features, no tracking. The 4L straight six engine is still going strong at almost 300,000 miles. What's funny is watching my friends attempt to back out of the driveway or parking lot without a camera and screen. They put it in reverse and their eyes go right…

You describe your friends' relying on technology to solve their problems in a condescending tone, yet they simply adapted to a world that is changing. When most of the cars they use already have the digital guidance, there is no point not using them, and still "throw their arm on the backside of the passenger seat, and turn around to look out the windows", which is way less efficient. Imagine you are planning a trip from California to Colorado. Are you gonna study paper maps and remember all the turns before go like old days just in case your phone would die sporadically? No, you don't spend an hour of your life to prepare for an event with 0.01% probability. Same for your friends.

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Post by xyst »

hgdcbbc wrote: post #16
moonterrace wrote: post #8

2019 car here, equipped with a rear camera. Been driving for 43 years and I refuse to use the cam. The thing that bothers me is now I have to check the mfg connectivity TOS and must opt out instead of opt in to what data is transmitted - it’s ridiculous. Don’t get me started on the ever increasing software subscription services these manufacturers are trying to levy on consumers.

Aren’t rearview cameras required now for new cars in the United States for safety reasons? Hope you don’t live around anyone too short.

TIL: https://www.thedrive.com/news/20612/rearview-cameras-are-now...

In the good ole USA, vehicles are also getting larger (massive market to satisfy the insecurities of millions of Americans) and manufacturers are pushing them down American throats to get around the CAFE regulations. [1]

Since they are getting larger, this means the view from the front is obscured. In most SUVs and trucks, 8-9 children can be sitting in front of a modern truck or SUV before you see a child's head. There's been some talk about forcing FRONT view cameras as well. [2]

It's absolutely disgusting. I hate cars. I hate how transportation is largely car centric.

[1] https://usa.streetsblog.org/2022/04/04/buttigiegs-new-emissi...

[2] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/americas-cars-trucks-ar...

Re: How the most popular cars in the US track drivers

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Post by falcolas »

Klonoar wrote: post #50
AlotOfReading wrote: post #27

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Essentially, no. Your best bets are the German manufacturers, some of whom (e.g. Porsche) have data opt outs for all services and exist within a legislative framework that's at least mildly protective of consumer privacy. Even then you should be wary about cars built for export to other markets like the US. It's common for the regional manufacturer to be a separate legal entity, with separate backend services, delive…

Japan's privacy laws are fairly strict and, to some degree, interoperate with GDPR. For context, I've a Toyota GR86 where opting out of data sharing can be done via an app. (Edits for some extra context) https://www.toyota.com/privacyvts/images/doc/Toyota%20-%20Co... > (i) the Connected Services Privacy Notice located at www.Toyota.com/privacyvts (“Privacy Notice”). Carefully review the Privacy Notice as it applies t…

> opting out of data sharing can be done via an app.

Oh, the irony.

As the owner of a new Toyota who received a phone call from our dealer because Toyota contacted them about a (routine) maintenance alert from our vehicle… the car / app combination is a privacy nightmare.

They offer an opt out, and that’s good, but by the gods their default is insane.

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Post by Retric »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #53

It’s becoming impossible to practice what you preach when it comes to data privacy. ‘Don’t like it, don’t buy it’ is difficult to execute unless you don’t mind not having a car, mobile phone, tv, browse the internet or even go out in a public place. There needs to be regulation and at least the ability to at least easily opt out of any of this insanity, but until there’s one (or probably many) widespread data-breache…

If you don’t want to be tracked then you have to make sacrifices on the scale of not carrying around a cellphone. But that really doesn’t scale.

Handing out your customers secrets doesn’t have a big red flag that automatically tells them you’re selling them out. That’s the core issue which has nothing to do with customer choices and why regulation is one of the few ways to give customers informed choices.

Re: How the most popular cars in the US track drivers

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Post by falcolas »

blueridge wrote: post #2

https://archive.is/9IU8W I've got an old (2002) car, I love the buttons and knobs. No cameras, no screens, no key fob, no voice control, no electronic "safety" features, no tracking. The 4L straight six engine is still going strong at almost 300,000 miles. What's funny is watching my friends attempt to back out of the driveway or parking lot without a camera and screen. They put it in reverse and their eyes go right…

> At no point do they just throw their arm on the backside of the passenger seat, and turn around to look out the windows while keeping one hand on the wheel. It is as if this movement, this posture, is completely new to them.

As a point of reference, Adam and Jamie of Mythbuster fame both had to be trained in this technique. And they’ve probably been driving longer than many of us here have been alive.

In other words, it’s a trained driving position. Some folks learned it early, some late, and others haven’t been trained in it yet.

Also, it doesn’t work well in modern vehicles with shorter windows. This last week I couldn’t see the driveway I had to back down by looking out the back window. I could via the camera though.

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Post by dionidium »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #53

It’s becoming impossible to practice what you preach when it comes to data privacy. ‘Don’t like it, don’t buy it’ is difficult to execute unless you don’t mind not having a car, mobile phone, tv, browse the internet or even go out in a public place. There needs to be regulation and at least the ability to at least easily opt out of any of this insanity, but until there’s one (or probably many) widespread data-breache…

The parsimonious explanation is that most people do not care about this issue as much as you do, which suggests quite plainly that no such regulation is necessary. You might want to consider that your views on privacy are eccentric and unpopular and that nobody is asking for laws to "protect them" from something that doesn't bother them in the first place.
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