I think the title may have been altered as it was almost verging upon a garden-path sentence.
You could have a bit of fun with the headline "Toyota and Honda Track Car Drivers Driving Driving Alarm"
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t get this. The rear view camera on my 2019 vehicle is a joy to use. What data could it transmit that I or anyone cares about? I truly don’t understand the privacy obsession. Most people don’t matter, and chances are there’s absolutely no novel or interesting data gathered.
> What data could it transmit that I or anyone cares about? The question is what data does it need to transmit. The answer is none. Rear cameras and tracking are entirely unrelated, though I'm sure car manufacturers will try to convince us tracking is essential for a camera to function. They'd try to convince us tracking is essential for windshield wipers, if those weren't around since long before tracking. > Most pe…
Correct. All this is not going to matter until it suddenly does.
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's the problem, you don't care until you do.
No that’s not a good answer. It’s a vague gesture at some non realistic threat. When will I care?
When you run for office and realize the party in power knows literally everything about you, and is using it to find dirt on you (and they're free to take all they find out of context), and target you for legal investigations, play six degrees of Kevin Bacon to link you to child molesters, and countless other dirty tricky you didn't even know existed, while you and your upstart new party know next to nothing about your opponents in power.
But who needs more than one or two parties?
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#64Are there any new cars / car brands that credibly promise not to track their drivers? Any car with a network connection for software updates seems likely to be harvesting driver data, or is at least capable of doing so.
Your can pull a fuse (I think it's marked DCM?) in some Toyotas if you don't care about the entertainment/navigation system ever contacting a cell tower again. I pulled the one in my 2021 Tundra.
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s great for you, but there’s been amazing advances in the world of automobile safety in the past 20 years. I’d rather improve my safety chances in an accident than worry about “tracking”.
Agreed. I don’t understand the privacy obsession at the cost of all other comforts and features.
I guess that's how they get ya!
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#66It's bizarre that a site ostensibly about privacy requires you to disclose the VIN of a specific vehicle to see the make and model privacy notes.
True. You can randomize the last few digits, though, and it'll still work.
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#67Who cares though? I ask this elsewhere here too, so apologies if I am being redundant. Everything tracks me. My phone, every neighbors camera pointing out toward the street, the eyes in the sky, office buildings, grocery stores. I don’t care though, because I am no one. It’s such a non problem or issue for my day to day, and I couldn’t imagine choosing my car over something like this. However, on HN, I constantly see…
Do you close the door in public restrooms? I mean, we’re all human, we know what you’re doing in there, but you might just prefer to have some privacy anyhow.
Some of us feel the same way about our digital interactions.
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a false choice. There is no reason that safety would require commercial surveillance. Also, why did you put the word tracking in quotation marks?
They put it in quotes because no one is using these data to follow any individual’s life or movements. These days are all aggregated and/or anonymized before any detailed analysis.
Yeah they put tracking in our cars without telling us, but I'll trust them they won't do individual tracking because they pinky swear it. Unless law enforcement requests that data, but luckily cops only go after bad people, and there's no such thing as politically motivated prosecution.
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#69Can you not just physically disconnect or shield the network antenna (assuming you own the car outright, i suppose if it's financed it might be trickier to do that legally)?
You can pull a fuse in at least some Toyotas.