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Ignoring boys' emotional needs fuels public health risks

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As a black guy I don't remember a friend ever saying "black people suck" to my face. But I've heard people I'm close with, both women and men, say that "men suck" countless times. I think a lot of people who don't see themselves as "biased" still carry a lot of bias when it comes to gender, and it has an impact.

Misandry is normalized in society. Whenever you encounter a baseless attack on men just reverse the roles and you'll realize that there'd be pitchforks for treating women as anything other than paragons of virtue.

Entire entertainment genres are built around portraying men as inept fools who can be looked down upon by the opposite sex. Seinfeld is one of the few sitcoms where a female character is as flawed as the men. You couldn't even do that show today.

Re: Ignoring boys' emotional needs fuels public health risks

#132

We don't need a critical theory of boyhood, we just need to stop institutionally empowering people who hate their dads. I know many good men, and the defining characteristic of every single one of them is that regardless of who their father was, they accept him, and by extension they accept themselves. If you are still mad at him or have contempt for him, I recommend considering how it's manifesting in your beliefs a…

Only problem is - objectively some dads are just no damn good.

Are their children supposed to "accept" him regardless, and feel bad about themselves if they can't?

Re: Ignoring boys' emotional needs fuels public health risks

#133

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There's a 5:1 male:female suicide rate in my home country. This has been going on for decades. "Temporarily" saying "men suck" doesn't help.

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..and what percentage of men commit homicides? And who are the primary victims of homicides?

Re: Ignoring boys' emotional needs fuels public health risks

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> New research shows that when fathers are present and emotionally invested in children’s lives, they are more likely to develop a stronger sense of self-worth and excel in everything from school to relationships. Regardless of the debate on how tough (or not) love should be, the absent fathers issue seems like something concrete and impactful that we should be trying to address.

> absent fathers issue seems like something concrete and impactful There is a general corruption of the concept of masculinity in American culture. It’s similar to what’s happened to the symbol of the American flag, but more insidious. When I say masculinity, or masculine values, what do you think of? When you think of someone who values their masculinity, who do you perceive? Now do the same for femininity. Which mo…

Can you think of anything feminine that takes more strength than motherhood?

Re: Ignoring boys' emotional needs fuels public health risks

#135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a 5:1 male:female suicide rate in my home country. This has been going on for decades. "Temporarily" saying "men suck" doesn't help.

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Do you also have stats about the victims too?

Re: Ignoring boys' emotional needs fuels public health risks

#136

We don't need a critical theory of boyhood, we just need to stop institutionally empowering people who hate their dads. I know many good men, and the defining characteristic of every single one of them is that regardless of who their father was, they accept him, and by extension they accept themselves. If you are still mad at him or have contempt for him, I recommend considering how it's manifesting in your beliefs a…

Err… what? So people with abusive or absent dads should just forgive and love them?

Love them, no. Make their peace with what happened, accept that they can't change it, and move on, yes.

Re: Ignoring boys' emotional needs fuels public health risks

#137

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Err… what? So people with abusive or absent dads should just forgive and love them?

That's not at all what GP said. They said "accept". For example, that could mean accepting that your father was a piece of shit and sloughing him off, out of your life. At some point, one has to stop letting the damages of the past continue to damage ones self.

They said "accept".

They said "accept him", as a direct object.

Not "accept the fact that he had negative qualities", which is something entirely different.

Re: Ignoring boys' emotional needs fuels public health risks

#139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Err… what? So people with abusive or absent dads should just forgive and love them?

That's not at all what GP said. They said "accept". For example, that could mean accepting that your father was a piece of shit and sloughing him off, out of your life. At some point, one has to stop letting the damages of the past continue to damage ones self.

I would agree with you. The most important person I hurt when holding a grudge is myself. Much better to do my best to forgive, maybe forget, and move on with my life (with or without that person).

Re: Ignoring boys' emotional needs fuels public health risks

#140

As a black guy I don't remember a friend ever saying "black people suck" to my face. But I've heard people I'm close with, both women and men, say that "men suck" countless times. I think a lot of people who don't see themselves as "biased" still carry a lot of bias when it comes to gender, and it has an impact.

Misandry is normalized in society. Whenever you encounter a baseless attack on men just reverse the roles and you'll realize that there'd be pitchforks for treating women as anything other than paragons of virtue. Entire entertainment genres are built around portraying men as inept fools who can be looked down upon by the opposite sex. Seinfeld is one of the few sitcoms where a female character is as flawed as the me…

> Seinfeld is one of the few sitcoms where a female character is as flawed as the men. You couldn't even do that show today.

So you observed a whole bunch of modern shows and judged that none met the same standard... Which one of them did you watch that was closest?

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