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Re: Show HN: Open-source resume builder and parser

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Post by JoshuaEN » Sun, Jun 25, 2023, 9:44 PM UTC

wnolens wrote: post #39

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #22

Many years ago we were posting jobs on a local bulletin boards and received applicant resumes on an email. The composition of a resume acted as a primary filter from people who couldn't even organize a few lines of information about themselves. Then, an internet company in our country took over the market and almost all jobs are searched through it. Of course,it features a very nice resume builder, so now everyone ha…

Are you hiring for a writing gig? If not, the bias could hurt. It's like a leet code interview - artificial bar from highly biased interviewers which kinda sorta works but is buggy and a bit discriminatory.

Most of my job as a software developer is communicating with other people (stakeholders, peers, management), including written (pr comments, emails to various people, Teams chats, design documents) and vocal. Even writing code is ultimately a form of communication (code structure, variable names, comments, etc...).

Even new developers who are primarily going to be mentored greatly benefit from being able to effectively communicate with their mentor and the rest of the team (plus being able to grow into more senior roles).

Someone doesn't need to be perfect at communicating or anywhere close, but just like I wouldn't hire someone who cannot show a baseline of programming skills and knowledge, I also wouldn't hire someone who cannot show a baseline of communication skills (and I have regretted getting swayed by other interviewers when a candidate did well in other aspects).

Re: Show HN: Open-source resume builder and parser

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Post by velosol » Sun, Jun 25, 2023, 9:44 PM UTC

woodylondon wrote: post #86

Overall, I think the project looks great, and the fact that it's open-source is a big plus. However, there are a few issues that I noticed: - The web editor doesn't seem to display pages 2, 3, etc. - The biggest concern I have is how the platform handles the end of a page and page breaks. Specifically, the text seems to be too close to the bottom of the page, with no footer padding. If I were to add a new role to the…

Much of your second issue is broadly widow/orphan control in case that helps with solutions for OP or for your interest.

https://practicaltypography.com/widow-and-orphan-control.htm...

Re: Show HN: Open-source resume builder and parser

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Post by darau1 » Sun, Jun 25, 2023, 9:45 PM UTC

linusha wrote: post #65

A general question: What do you all think about this Skill representation as points out of 5 (or 7 or 10 for that matter)? These arbitrary scales always hit me as kind of...useless? There is no frame of reference what a specific amount of points mean. Of course, with this kind of skill-self-description there will always be difficulties, i.e., one does not always know what one does not know etc. But it seems to me tha…

I decided that I'd track my time on any project that I work on, and put those projects into categories that I want to be represented in my CV. Whenever I generate a resume, I'll aggregate the time spent on those projects, by category. So I'll get a neat little thing that says "6 months hands-on experience with Ruby on Rails", or something similar.

Re: Show HN: Open-source resume builder and parser

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Post by jcul » Sun, Jun 25, 2023, 9:49 PM UTC

linusha wrote: post #65

A general question: What do you all think about this Skill representation as points out of 5 (or 7 or 10 for that matter)? These arbitrary scales always hit me as kind of...useless? There is no frame of reference what a specific amount of points mean. Of course, with this kind of skill-self-description there will always be difficulties, i.e., one does not always know what one does not know etc. But it seems to me tha…

I think it's useful for a junior engineer to display I have experience in x, y, and z, and this is how I rate my personal proficiency in each.

I wouldn't take a 9/10 to mean I am in the top 10% world wide in this skill, rather it is where I consider myself most proficient.

For more senior roles I might see it as a slight red flag to be honest.

Re: Show HN: Open-source resume builder and parser

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Post by Chris2048 » Sun, Jun 25, 2023, 9:54 PM UTC

AHOHA wrote: post #34

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #22

Many years ago we were posting jobs on a local bulletin boards and received applicant resumes on an email. The composition of a resume acted as a primary filter from people who couldn't even organize a few lines of information about themselves. Then, an internet company in our country took over the market and almost all jobs are searched through it. Of course,it features a very nice resume builder, so now everyone ha…

You are discriminating against the candidates who might have some disabilities (whether they know they have or not) like dyslexia, you are also discriminating against candidates whose English (or whatever that language in your country) isn’t their first, even though they might be the best suited candidates, best programmers/engineers/etc., I have seen this first hand in some interviews, where some candidates eliminat…

> I have seen this first hand in some interviews, where some candidates eliminated from the first round by hiring managers because of similar issues or even silly ones like having an accent

You have first-hand experience of hiring managers telling you they eliminated someone b/c they had a foreign accent?

Re: Show HN: Open-source resume builder and parser

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Post by caboteria » Sun, Jun 25, 2023, 9:59 PM UTC

rosmax_1337 wrote: post #81

dotandgtfo wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really attribute this maliciously. Yeah, it may be overstepping it a bit but the wording can make sense (but they should definitively change it). Developers generally aren't great marketers and these guys aren't native in english.

>I don't really attribute this maliciously. I don't attribute it to stupidity. (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.) They tried to use other organizations logos in their "loved by section" to make their product seem more trustworthy than it was. By using smart language they could have gotten away with it in case of a lawsuit, and most companies don't even bother to go after stuf…

> Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Sorry, this false dichotomy is one of my pet peeves. It should read "Never attribute to something that which is adequately explained by something else."

Re: Show HN: Open-source resume builder and parser

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Post by rosmax_1337 » Sun, Jun 25, 2023, 10:04 PM UTC

caboteria wrote: post #96

rosmax_1337 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I don't really attribute this maliciously. I don't attribute it to stupidity. (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.) They tried to use other organizations logos in their "loved by section" to make their product seem more trustworthy than it was. By using smart language they could have gotten away with it in case of a lawsuit, and most companies don't even bother to go after stuf…

> Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Sorry, this false dichotomy is one of my pet peeves. It should read "Never attribute to something that which is adequately explained by something else."

The observation that stupidity and incompetence is more common than malice (by many degrees) is correct. It's not a true logical dichotomy, it's just a saying.

Re: Show HN: Open-source resume builder and parser

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov » Sun, Jun 25, 2023, 10:09 PM UTC

AHOHA wrote: post #89

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, when hiring I do discriminate against candidates with bad skills. Reading and writing, communication in written form is a critical skill for a software developer, more important than even coding skills (btw, I'm yet to see a person who can code and can't write, or even hear about such person). It is irrelevant, what is the reason for the lack of skill - innate disability or low intelligence - if you can't clearl…

As I mentioned in the comment below, this is the first excuse for such discrimination, as most of the times they do properly communicate and can effectively communicate the idea, but it’s the covert way of discriminating them. One of the examples I witnessed, someone was from Singapore -and in Singapore just like a lot of other countries, English IS native, i.e. taught early in life- but they do have a thick accents,…

I'm talking about people writing in their native language. Also, thick accent is not noticeable when someone is writing. But low intelligence is.

> you do have the tools to properly and easily compensate such linguistic disability

No, I do not have such tools, and neither do you.

Re: Show HN: Open-source resume builder and parser

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Post by xitang » Sun, Jun 25, 2023, 10:15 PM UTC

linusha wrote: post #65

A general question: What do you all think about this Skill representation as points out of 5 (or 7 or 10 for that matter)? These arbitrary scales always hit me as kind of...useless? There is no frame of reference what a specific amount of points mean. Of course, with this kind of skill-self-description there will always be difficulties, i.e., one does not always know what one does not know etc. But it seems to me tha…

Agree with others' points that this skill meter is subjective, arbitrary and might not add much value. I created it initially more as a option to make the resume design to look more creative and appealing in design. I did called it out that it is an optional section, but yeah, agree that this section seems to require more thoughts. I create an issue to keep track of this: https://github.com/xitanggg/open-resume/issues/11

Re: Show HN: Open-source resume builder and parser

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov » Sun, Jun 25, 2023, 10:15 PM UTC

AHOHA wrote: post #58

joelegner wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my field communicating with other English-speaking people is probably 80% of the job. Someone who cannot read and write clear English prose will not be successful. Serious question: if I eliminate someone from contention because they struggle to read, write, and speak English, is that “discrimination”?

No one said anything about the ability to communicate, but the discrimination against candidates with some disability like dyslexia, it is YOUR job as an employer to provide the proper tool -either during the interview process or even after hiring- to make sure the work isn’t affected, and having a proper process to address it. Same goes with accent, it isn’t about the ability to communicate but rather the accent or…

> it is YOUR job as an employer to provide the proper tool

I love it when people from internet forums are telling me what my job is.

You know, your way of thinking will eventually lead to understanding that interviewing is inherently discriminatory against everyone but the best candidate, and thus must be abolished. This will lead to a creation of some kind of government agency that you'll ask for a worker and it'll appoint someone who would be considered as acceptable by some clerk. You wouldn't have the freedom to refuse to hire the appointee and would be obliged to pay him.