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Zotero Better Notes – Knowledge management inside Zotero

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Re: Zotero Better Notes – Knowledge management inside Zotero

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Post by sva_ »

deelly wrote: post #27
noisy_boy wrote: post #17

Obsidian has replaced all (work, home, mobile) note taking solutions everywhere for me. The last want from my side is removing the friction related to editing markdown tables (e.g. multi-line content in cells) - Obsidian has some plugins that makes things better but it is miles behind what, say, confluence wiki offers for tables.

Is it ok for you to pay 8$ monthly for sync between devices? Or did you use another way of sync or don't use it at all?

There's a plugin called Remotely Save to sync files in a s3-like service (I use the 10gb free backblaze offer for it).

Setting it up was a bit of a hassle but now it just works.

Re: Zotero Better Notes – Knowledge management inside Zotero

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Post by karmelapple »

noisy_boy wrote: post #58
Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is first I've heard of Obsidian, and looking at the web page I sort of maybe get what it does. But to help me out, can you describe what you use it does for you. I didn't see any references to citations or the like that zotero is mainly for. Is it just a note app? If so, what makes it so good?

What it does for me: - everything is markdown which I'm comfortable in - I can use conventional structure of folders and notes within folders (not for everyone but it works for me) - extensive support for cross-linking/embedding/bookmarks along with connection graphs/search (out of these, I had use cases for cross-linking and embedding which worked very well) - nice responsive UI with support for themes/customization…

The iOS app is similarly well done.

Re: Zotero Better Notes – Knowledge management inside Zotero

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Post by bmurphy1976 »

noisy_boy wrote: post #17

Obsidian has replaced all (work, home, mobile) note taking solutions everywhere for me. The last want from my side is removing the friction related to editing markdown tables (e.g. multi-line content in cells) - Obsidian has some plugins that makes things better but it is miles behind what, say, confluence wiki offers for tables.

What are you doing to sync your files? I'm current using the git integration and while it works it's a bit too manual for my tastes. I think I'm ok with last write wins as long as the sync stores history. The whole commiting changes, pushing, pulling, dealing with merge conflicts is a bit too much workflow for my notes.

Re: Zotero Better Notes – Knowledge management inside Zotero

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Post by edvinbesic »

bmurphy1976 wrote: post #63
noisy_boy wrote: post #17

Obsidian has replaced all (work, home, mobile) note taking solutions everywhere for me. The last want from my side is removing the friction related to editing markdown tables (e.g. multi-line content in cells) - Obsidian has some plugins that makes things better but it is miles behind what, say, confluence wiki offers for tables.

What are you doing to sync your files? I'm current using the git integration and while it works it's a bit too manual for my tastes. I think I'm ok with last write wins as long as the sync stores history. The whole commiting changes, pushing, pulling, dealing with merge conflicts is a bit too much workflow for my notes.

Not parent, but I have had a good experience using SyncThing to keep my obsidian notes synchronized across devices.

I have a server at home where I self host a few services and access over tailscale so I have a device that is “always on” and syncing, but prior I used a $5 droplet for much of the same. Can recommend.

Re: Zotero Better Notes – Knowledge management inside Zotero

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Post by noisy_boy »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #60
noisy_boy wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What it does for me: - everything is markdown which I'm comfortable in - I can use conventional structure of folders and notes within folders (not for everyone but it works for me) - extensive support for cross-linking/embedding/bookmarks along with connection graphs/search (out of these, I had use cases for cross-linking and embedding which worked very well) - nice responsive UI with support for themes/customization…

Thanks for this. Would you recommend this to someone who is not already a markdown user or that a key prerequisite for this to be useful?

The only concern I have is that the content that happens to match markdown rules will get interpreted and the subsequent highlighting etc might surprise/annoy a user not familiar with markdown. E.g. adding a dash at the beginning of the line will get interpreted as a list item, typing asterisk will trigger the editor to put another asterisk and put the cursor in the middle with the expectation that you want to type bold text - you can press backspace to remove the extra asterisk and continue as per normal but if you are in the business of dealing with loads of asterisks/dashes at the beginning of the line, and don't care about markdown, you might be pissed.

All the approaches to handle this kind of thing are not as simple as turning off a checkbox. If that is a deal breaker, then this may not be the app for you. OTOH, if you don't mind occasionally dealing with that (or better still, picking up the bare minimum amount of markdown), it'll provide a pretty rich note taking experience. For typical content, I don't think this will be a frequent issue but then again, what is typical for someone may be atypical for me and vice versa.

Personally I think it is totally worth it but YMMV.

Re: Zotero Better Notes – Knowledge management inside Zotero

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Post by fho »

edvinbesic wrote: post #64
bmurphy1976 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you doing to sync your files? I'm current using the git integration and while it works it's a bit too manual for my tastes. I think I'm ok with last write wins as long as the sync stores history. The whole commiting changes, pushing, pulling, dealing with merge conflicts is a bit too much workflow for my notes.

Not parent, but I have had a good experience using SyncThing to keep my obsidian notes synchronized across devices. I have a server at home where I self host a few services and access over tailscale so I have a device that is “always on” and syncing, but prior I used a $5 droplet for much of the same. Can recommend.

I second SyncThing in combination with Obsidian. Works like a charm.

Re: Zotero Better Notes – Knowledge management inside Zotero

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Post by bx376 »

mey wrote: post #19
noisy_boy wrote: post #17

Obsidian has replaced all (work, home, mobile) note taking solutions everywhere for me. The last want from my side is removing the friction related to editing markdown tables (e.g. multi-line content in cells) - Obsidian has some plugins that makes things better but it is miles behind what, say, confluence wiki offers for tables.

Biggest issue I have with Obsidian is sharing notes with others. Conversely the crimes I am able to commit with the dataview plugin make it all worthwhile.

You can use https://github.com/KosmosisDire/obsidian-webpage-export to turn Obsidian into a static site generator, and deploy the html to Vercel or github pages for free

Re: Zotero Better Notes – Knowledge management inside Zotero

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Post by x2dhump »

RhodesianHunter wrote: post #40

This seems like the best place to ask, does anyone have any recommendations for a very simple notes tool that can be easily shared amongst a family or team? Preferably mobile friendly, Even if just in browser.

for Apple ecosystem, the Notes application works well for "simple" shared notes

Re: Zotero Better Notes – Knowledge management inside Zotero

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Post by timothevs »

mickelsen wrote: post #23
noisy_boy wrote: post #17

Obsidian has replaced all (work, home, mobile) note taking solutions everywhere for me. The last want from my side is removing the friction related to editing markdown tables (e.g. multi-line content in cells) - Obsidian has some plugins that makes things better but it is miles behind what, say, confluence wiki offers for tables.

Vrite was featured recently, I just mention it because I like how the editor does tables: https://editor.vrite.io/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36446045 Obsidian should definitely take a page from that. I'm currently with a plugin they won't add to the community marketplace: https://github.com/Stardusten/ob-table-enhancer

Thanks for the link to the plug-in for Obsidian! This solves so many of the problems I have had switching to Obsidian completely.

If only there were a way to enable a three pane layout in Obsidian, I’d be in heaven.

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