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Thoughts on Svelte(Kit), one year and 3B requests later

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Re: Thoughts on Svelte(Kit), one year and 3B requests later

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post #56

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I work on a huge angular project and I can’t help but see svelte as a toy in comparison. Must be nice when everything just falls into place.

Maybe it's because angular is like dropping a nuke to kill a spider?

That comparison makes assumptions about the size of the problem OP is dealing with. What makes you think it's spider-sized?

Re: Thoughts on Svelte(Kit), one year and 3B requests later

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post #56

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Maybe it's because angular is like dropping a nuke to kill a spider?

That comparison makes assumptions about the size of the problem OP is dealing with. What makes you think it's spider-sized?

The point is more that a nuke is unnecessary in any case.

Re: Thoughts on Svelte(Kit), one year and 3B requests later

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post #77

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> I never built a web app in my life. > I would highly suggest people to try SvelteKit. I feel like this is a good summary of tech trends these days.

It goes all the way upstream. People build SAAS companies offering services based on best practices while the product/engineering have had zero prior experience with the subject until their current project. People found companies selling themselves to investors as experts in the field that they have no experience in. Investors sell themselves as experts of the industry that they just invested in these founders for. P…

How convenient that (what is likely) your role is the only one in the world the gets any scrutiny /s.

Re: Thoughts on Svelte(Kit), one year and 3B requests later

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I like the fact minimalist approaches, like svelte, htmx and alpine.js are getting more and more traction. I felt like fighting this fight alone for years in the golden years of node, webpack and react where everybody was creating crazy stacks and adding GraphQL and so on, to basically get what Django + jquery did 10 years ago in a tenth of the time and code. So far I also survived: - xml is the future - let's use no…

I love svelte, but how is it minimalist? How is requiring a compiler for a web app minimalist?

Maybe the limited number of dependencies? I consider fewer dependencies to be one part of a minimalist approach.

Re: Thoughts on Svelte(Kit), one year and 3B requests later

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post #59

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I don't want people preaching hooks as the greatest invention since fire talks anyways. Such code if spotted anywhere in a backend would be slammed for being horrendous and violating almost any intuition definition of maintainable code. The svelte documentation is already great. This evengleism is good for commercial products. For technical open source, subjective evaluation is all that is needed. You evaluate whethe…

Rich Harris is definitely not a humble guy. He pretty much can't talk about Svelte without framing it as the savior to modern web. And I would say some of the things he pushes are blatantly false

This video would seem to contradict that sentiment.

https://youtu.be/dB_YjuAMH3o?t=103

Re: Thoughts on Svelte(Kit), one year and 3B requests later

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Wouah ! Sam&Max, je me demandais bien où vous étiez passé.

En ce moment on s'amuse à générer du hentai avec stable diffusion en Python. Ca aurait fait un bon article pour le blog si il existait encore :)

ça m'a fait un choc de voir le domaine aujourd'hui :-P

Re: Thoughts on Svelte(Kit), one year and 3B requests later

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Software itself hasn't "evolved" over the last 40 or 50 years. It only ever gets better because the hardware becomes better. There is no true innovation in software development. Folks that "innovate" either reinvent the wheel or capitalise on hardware improvement.

Look at all the fascinating runtimes that have evolved. Erlang, Haskell, Go, Rust, and include any other. You don’t consider any of these evolution? Back then, programmers were still using threads for everything. Now we have “green threads”. One example of a pretty great evolution. Albeit it does feel like software evolves slower than hardware.

I talked about my statement with a friend the other day and was able to consolidate my stance.

On an intuitive level software seems like a tool to me. Latin had much more gramatical rules than todays English but that doesn't mean it "devolved" or that English isn't as powerful as Latin.

Blockchain is a mathematical idea and software the tool to use it. And LLMs are much more about statistical problem solving enabled through more computing power than about inventing something new.

And correct me if I'm wrong but aren't virtual threads fast enough also because of more computational power? A virtual machine is usually 1/3 times slower than the native machine it runs on.

Re: Thoughts on Svelte(Kit), one year and 3B requests later

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Yeah, I did a project in sveltekit + go and then one in htmx, alpinejs + golang. Sveltekit is quite big and not low maintenance. Not sure what exact use case sveltekit would be good for, that can't be solved with htmx + alpinejs.

htmx, alpinejs + golang is the exact stack I've been thinking about. I'm not a front-end developer, but want to be able to prototype things quickly. Are you aware of any public examples of this stack that go beyond "Hello, World!"?

I'm not actually, but I found it very easy to learn. The documentation really is enough. Htmx is used for requests and replacing content. You just need to figure out when to replace what. Alpine is used for on-site interactions. You can hit me up on twitter if you have questions, love to help other people with that stack! https://twitter.com/andinfinity_eu

Re: Thoughts on Svelte(Kit), one year and 3B requests later

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post #78
post #47

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It's the second, younger generation of devs who are realizing that "complexity kills". Those of us who started in 2000's have already seen this. It's a natural cycle. We are seeing a spring-back to monoliths and away from micro-services and crazy tooling chains. It was completely unnecessary, and most importantly, cost the industry a fortune. If you are older, you have been wondering why you need to work more to achi…

> it takes 3 days to set up your microservices locally Why do you need all microservices locally? Why wouldn't you set up just the relevant one, and proxy the traffic to the rest of the services already deployed? Or, failing that, why don't you have a docker-compose file that has already pre-configured your services to run locally?

What about the database contents?

Re: Thoughts on Svelte(Kit), one year and 3B requests later

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post #36

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I know the routing isn't the easiest, but I find myself navigating with CTRL+P and typing the route I want to work on.

How would you otherwise navigate that you find difficult with SvelteKit?

Sorry, just saw the question, I don't really understand what you mean?
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