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Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'

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Re: Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'

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Post by frumper »

piva00 wrote: post #94
xyzelement wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You definitely don't need anything - you can raise kids in the woods as our ancestors did. But I don't think large vehicles an American thing, it's a wealth thing. Eg in Japan, which is rich, pretty much anytime you see a family with kids on the road, they were in a Toyota Alphard (look it up, never heard of it till I saw them) which are huge vs typical car. Similarly around the world, the size of the typical family…

In Europe the trend of trucks replacing cars is poking through in some places but still the most common car for a family is a estate car. Large trunks for carrying whatever might be needed during a family trip while still being a small car, not much heavier than their sedan counterparts. I really don't understand why a family would choose a truck over a estate car except for the increased safety against other trucks…

People think trucks look cool. They may occasionally use it to tow something. If you own a trailer then it's not much use without the ability to use. They may head down to Home Depot for a few weekends a year, or even more. I can fit a couple 8ft 2x4's in my model y, but nothing longer. I typically need to borrow someones truck a few times a year for building materials or new furniture.

Maybe they like the visibility it offers by sitting up higher. That's probably one of the most common ones I hear. I have heard people say they feel safer in one too.

You also present it as a choice of truck vs something else. Most American families have multiple vehicles, so it's a truck and something else. I'd wager families buying $60k+ trucks almost certainly have a second vehicle.

Re: Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'

#102

Post by pandaman »

piva00 wrote: post #94
xyzelement wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You definitely don't need anything - you can raise kids in the woods as our ancestors did. But I don't think large vehicles an American thing, it's a wealth thing. Eg in Japan, which is rich, pretty much anytime you see a family with kids on the road, they were in a Toyota Alphard (look it up, never heard of it till I saw them) which are huge vs typical car. Similarly around the world, the size of the typical family…

In Europe the trend of trucks replacing cars is poking through in some places but still the most common car for a family is a estate car. Large trunks for carrying whatever might be needed during a family trip while still being a small car, not much heavier than their sedan counterparts. I really don't understand why a family would choose a truck over a estate car except for the increased safety against other trucks…

People in Europe live mostly in tiny houses or apartments even with families. These dwellings have similarly sized appliances and furniture and don't have storage for things like ATVs, boats, snow blowers, lawn mowers etc. Americans with families usually live in big houses, those houses have full sized appliances and furniture that does not come in flat-packed boxes, they sometimes have the above-mentioned vehicles, which are not road-legal in the US and require transportation. They also might do repairs on their houses since they own them. The houses are made mostly from wood, which comes either in form of long pieces of lumber or long and wide pieces of plywood. None of the above will fit into an "estate".

Re: Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'

#103

Post by piva00 »

pandaman wrote: post #102
piva00 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Europe the trend of trucks replacing cars is poking through in some places but still the most common car for a family is a estate car. Large trunks for carrying whatever might be needed during a family trip while still being a small car, not much heavier than their sedan counterparts. I really don't understand why a family would choose a truck over a estate car except for the increased safety against other trucks…

People in Europe live mostly in tiny houses or apartments even with families. These dwellings have similarly sized appliances and furniture and don't have storage for things like ATVs, boats, snow blowers, lawn mowers etc. Americans with families usually live in big houses, those houses have full sized appliances and furniture that does not come in flat-packed boxes, they sometimes have the above-mentioned vehicles,…

I don't believe that explains it, where I live if you have the need to carry a large load you just go to a nearby gas station and rent out a small box truck to transport it. I did that with all my non flat-packed boxes furniture, my appliances, all the construction material I ever needed. It costs me 80-90€ for a 4-6h rental period, or around 120€ for a full day with the truck.

How many families that own a truck in the USA have the need to transport ATVs, boats, and so on? It really doesn't add up in my head that the vast majority of these beastly trucks I see on highways when I go to the US have this need.

Where I live houses are also made of wood, I really need some data instead of just an opinion on why there are so many trucks in the USA, it really doesn't make sense without hard data.

Re: Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'

#104

Post by pandaman »

piva00 wrote: post #103
pandaman wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People in Europe live mostly in tiny houses or apartments even with families. These dwellings have similarly sized appliances and furniture and don't have storage for things like ATVs, boats, snow blowers, lawn mowers etc. Americans with families usually live in big houses, those houses have full sized appliances and furniture that does not come in flat-packed boxes, they sometimes have the above-mentioned vehicles,…

I don't believe that explains it, where I live if you have the need to carry a large load you just go to a nearby gas station and rent out a small box truck to transport it. I did that with all my non flat-packed boxes furniture, my appliances, all the construction material I ever needed. It costs me 80-90€ for a 4-6h rental period, or around 120€ for a full day with the truck. How many families that own a truck in t…

>where I live if you have the need to carry a large load you just go to a nearby gas station and rent out a small box truck to transport it

Sure, you can rent anything. I responded to somebody who does not understand why would anybody need a truck. Many people post on HN regularly how they don't own a car and rent one if they need it. I don't see how this proves that you cannot possibly need a truck though, why you rent one if you don't need it?

>How many families that own a truck in the USA have the need to transport ATVs, boats, and so on?

All that have ATVs, boats, and so on? It's pretty pointless to have one without means of transportation since you cannot really drive an ATV on the street, much less so a boat.

>Where I live houses are also made of wood, I really need some data instead of just an opinion

I cannot help you with that other than giving you dimensions of common lumber items: plywood and drywall comes in 8'x4' sheets, dimensional lumber can be anywhere from 8' to 20', you can check it out at any supplier.

Re: Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'

#105

Post by PedroBatista »

toss1 wrote: post #51
PedroBatista wrote: post #24

Maybe even for a certain type of LA people rather than most 'Silicon Valley People'. That truck is the product of an all time Elon frenzy, didn't he announced the sports car too? and people pre ordered it. Where is it? and more recently the humanoid robot. How about the " full 100% legit self driving Teslas in an year or two"? As long as those Model3 continue to get sold, Elon can continue to get away with this stuff…

>>At least the truck seems to be a reality. It seems that "seems" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in this post — the Cybrtruck is years late, still has problems, and as pointed out, a limited market. They may lose a huge amount of money if they build a production line and sales never take off. I wouldn't put it past Musk to make an "Aura Product" that is vaporware just as a marketing ploy...

It's late, but there are a few test mules going around so "it's a reality".

IMO it would be best to NOT be a reality because it's really a dumb fashion statement and marketing move. But I'm not the target customer and I have little problem with these dumb things as long as Tesla and Elon remain honest and deliver what they told people would get, which.. has not been happening much.

Re: Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'

#106

Post by tyfon »

frumper wrote: post #99
tyfon wrote: post #68

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Here in Norway, anything that has an allowed total weight above 3500 kg is classified as a light truck and not a car, is limited to 80 km/h max speed and you need a different license to drive it (C1 instead of B). The C1 license training is much more extensive and costs a lot more. You also need to renew it every 5 years as it's really a "professional" license. I see the base F1 weighs 2900 kg without the driver. Tha…

The ID.Buzz weights 3000kg, the base F150 weighs 2100kg. That's the truck that the OP is complaining about everyone in America buys to drive around in. The F150 Lightning isn't really available and is what I believe you're referring to at 2900kg.

Yes, I was referring to the electric version. I forget that fossil vehicles are still sold en masse in other countries!

The point was really that the F1 Lightning is not a vehicle for personal use, and for work the buzz is much better.

Re: Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'

#107

Post by toss1 »

PedroBatista wrote: post #105
toss1 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>At least the truck seems to be a reality. It seems that "seems" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in this post — the Cybrtruck is years late, still has problems, and as pointed out, a limited market. They may lose a huge amount of money if they build a production line and sales never take off. I wouldn't put it past Musk to make an "Aura Product" that is vaporware just as a marketing ploy...

It's late, but there are a few test mules going around so "it's a reality". IMO it would be best to NOT be a reality because it's really a dumb fashion statement and marketing move. But I'm not the target customer and I have little problem with these dumb things as long as Tesla and Elon remain honest and deliver what they told people would get, which.. has not been happening much.

Do we define "product is reality" as [prototypes and test mules exist] or [commercial availability]?

For this context, I'm kind of in the latter camp, considering prototypes to be roughly equal to vaporware, in development, but...?.

Re: Ford CEO: Tesla's Cybertruck Is Only for 'Silicon Valley People'

#108

Post by rascul »

rascul wrote: post #98
tyfon wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in Norway, anything that has an allowed total weight above 3500 kg is classified as a light truck and not a car, is limited to 80 km/h max speed and you need a different license to drive it (C1 instead of B). The C1 license training is much more extensive and costs a lot more. You also need to renew it every 5 years as it's really a "professional" license. I see the base F1 weighs 2900 kg without the driver. Tha…

> I see the base F1 weighs 2900 kg without the driver I think your numbers are off. That's quite heavy.

Oh I misunderstood and F1 immediately meant Formula 1 car to me, and that was wrong.
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