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All EU Members are committed to achieving full climate neutrality by 2050

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Re: All EU Members are committed to achieving full climate neutrality by 2050

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Unless China and India cut emissions drastically it’s a drop in the ocean. There should be tariffs on the biggest emitters to the point where they can’t afford to NOT cut emissions if they want to trade good and services.

China and India's per capita emissions are about ten times lesser than Americans. Americans should stop driving bulldozers instead of blaming the poor

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Re: All EU Members are committed to achieving full climate neutrality by 2050

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Not exactly sure what they're thinking and certainly don't want to produce conspiracy theories but with their track record of the past 2 decades of "promising moonshots, not achieving much" and their recent ideas (weakening e2ee, chat control) and actions (e.g. against climate activists), to me it's pointing towards a more repressive state because they already know that they've lost the race against climate change.

Re: All EU Members are committed to achieving full climate neutrality by 2050

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post #27

Unless China and India cut emissions drastically it’s a drop in the ocean. There should be tariffs on the biggest emitters to the point where they can’t afford to NOT cut emissions if they want to trade good and services.

EU is about 7.5% of global emissions, I'd call that a lot more than a drop. Also, one of the "main areas of action" here is "carbon duty on certain imported goods", which is quite close to what you're asking for.

Re: All EU Members are committed to achieving full climate neutrality by 2050

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post #30

why does emissions get way more attention than plastics and forever chemicals? that shit scares me way more. At this pace, soon our food and water will not be safe anymore, what's the point of preventing climate change if you won't have water to drink and food to eat?

Because there is an overwhelming global consensus on the impacts and dangers of climate change, and no consensus on the impacts and dangers of plastic and forever chemicals.

Re: All EU Members are committed to achieving full climate neutrality by 2050

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"from 2035 new cars and vans must not emit any CO2" Wont this effectively kill any ICE vehicle? Biogas, ethanol, HVO diesel, etc.

I don't fully understand these proclamations. Can we really actually electrify everything, everywhere , by then? And what about long distance travel and haul? EV still seem somewhat of a niche in that they have clear restrictions and constraints.

> Can we really actually electrify everything, everywhere, by then?

Probably not, which is why that quote is only about "new cars and vans". If that is achieved, most vehicles on the road will still be emitting CO2.

Re: All EU Members are committed to achieving full climate neutrality by 2050

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post #30

why does emissions get way more attention than plastics and forever chemicals? that shit scares me way more. At this pace, soon our food and water will not be safe anymore, what's the point of preventing climate change if you won't have water to drink and food to eat?

why not both? :)

Re: All EU Members are committed to achieving full climate neutrality by 2050

#38
post #30

why does emissions get way more attention than plastics and forever chemicals? that shit scares me way more. At this pace, soon our food and water will not be safe anymore, what's the point of preventing climate change if you won't have water to drink and food to eat?

If you wealthy you can filter your water and pay for best organic food. However, no amount of money will buy you different atmosphere. And wealthy people sets agenda for governments.

Re: All EU Members are committed to achieving full climate neutrality by 2050

#39
post #27

Unless China and India cut emissions drastically it’s a drop in the ocean. There should be tariffs on the biggest emitters to the point where they can’t afford to NOT cut emissions if they want to trade good and services.

China and India's per capita emissions are about ten times lesser than Americans. Americans should stop driving bulldozers instead of blaming the poor

Per capita emissions are a distraction. The earth’s atmosphere doesn’t care how many people were involved. What matters is total emissions. On that front China leads by a factor of 4 or 5 over India and the U.S. which are roughly the same.

Re: All EU Members are committed to achieving full climate neutrality by 2050

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

China and India's per capita emissions are about ten times lesser than Americans. Americans should stop driving bulldozers instead of blaming the poor

Per capita emissions are a distraction. The earth’s atmosphere doesn’t care how many people were involved. What matters is total emissions. On that front China leads by a factor of 4 or 5 over India and the U.S. which are roughly the same.

The atmosphere also doesn't care which governments are involved, or who is "leading". We need all the emissions to stop, this announcement is about 7.5% of the total which is quite significant. 12 more of those and we're done.
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