"from 2035 new cars and vans must not emit any CO2" Wont this effectively kill any ICE vehicle? Biogas, ethanol, HVO diesel, etc.
So be it.
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#12"from 2035 new cars and vans must not emit any CO2" Wont this effectively kill any ICE vehicle? Biogas, ethanol, HVO diesel, etc.
I don't fully understand these proclamations. Can we really actually electrify everything, everywhere , by then? And what about long distance travel and haul? EV still seem somewhat of a niche in that they have clear restrictions and constraints.
Europe has a much more fleshed out freight rail system and the vast majority of European countries have ocean access, so long range haul can be done by the cheapest form of transport of all, boat.
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#13"from 2035 new cars and vans must not emit any CO2" Wont this effectively kill any ICE vehicle? Biogas, ethanol, HVO diesel, etc.
I don't fully understand these proclamations. Can we really actually electrify everything, everywhere , by then? And what about long distance travel and haul? EV still seem somewhat of a niche in that they have clear restrictions and constraints.
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't fully understand these proclamations. Can we really actually electrify everything, everywhere , by then? And what about long distance travel and haul? EV still seem somewhat of a niche in that they have clear restrictions and constraints.
Europe has a much more fleshed out freight rail system and the vast majority of European countries have ocean access, so long range haul can be done by the cheapest form of transport of all, boat.
It is estimated that the full electrification of all railway tracks in Germany will be completed not earlier than 2070.
But maybe I am confusing "Deutschlandtakt 2070" and the electrification of the tracks.
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#16Without specific measures to reduce carbon emissions in a couple of months --- not just offsets, but actual shutdowns of emission sources --- I will not hold my breath that any EU members will actually meet this goal. That is the same as me saying 'I will quite smoking next year.' Just buying time.
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#17"from 2035 new cars and vans must not emit any CO2" Wont this effectively kill any ICE vehicle? Biogas, ethanol, HVO diesel, etc.
Yes but make no mistake: German car manufacturers will make the German governments lobby for whatever they find value in when time goes by.
They've recently invented the funny term "Technologieoffenheit" as an abstract concept to allow for "whatever the market decides" which sounds good but completely ignores, e.g. that they won't have enough renewable energy to produce zero-emission e-fuels/hydrogen at a scale big enough to achieve reasonable consumer prices for usage in cars. AFAIK anything that is based on organic matter can only be net-zero and potentially drives out potentially more important food. Not sure yet what this "strategy" leads to if not more populist politics.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
Europe has a much more fleshed out freight rail system and the vast majority of European countries have ocean access, so long range haul can be done by the cheapest form of transport of all, boat.
It is estimated that the full electrification of all railway tracks in Germany will be completed not earlier than 2070. But maybe I am confusing "Deutschlandtakt 2070" and the electrification of the tracks.
Never heard that "Deutschlandtakt 2070" (lol) depends on electrification of all railway tracks, to be honest. Would be interesting to read up on that, so if you have a source, I'd be glad to read it!
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#20"from 2035 new cars and vans must not emit any CO2" Wont this effectively kill any ICE vehicle? Biogas, ethanol, HVO diesel, etc.
Yes but make no mistake: German car manufacturers will make the German governments lobby for whatever they find value in when time goes by. They've recently invented the funny term "Technologieoffenheit" as an abstract concept to allow for "whatever the market decides" which sounds good but completely ignores, e.g. that they won't have enough renewable energy to produce zero-emission e-fuels/hydrogen at a scale big e…
Err, whatever the market decides, isn’t that what we’ve had in the US forever? It works for some thing but we don’t seem to be the leaders as far as fighting climate change goes.