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The Case Against Travel

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Re: The Case Against Travel

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Question: how do you see downvotes (or any votes) on a comment? I use news.ycombinator.com but all I see is when the downvotes are large enough to gray out the comment. I often see people talking about upvotes and downvotes as though they can see a number. I’m just wondering if I may be “doing it wrong”.

You are not doing anything wrong, you can't see points for comments that are not your own.

Thanks for the confirmation.

Re: The Case Against Travel

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As a seasoned traveler, both with and without purpose, I feel the author is erecting a straw man tourist that fits no real person. "No, I don't mean those who travel with purpose, nor those who actually appreciate the place, nor those who follow through with a life-changing experience, nor those whose year will now be more bearable thanks to the memories made during the trip, nor those who think they got something ou…

Travel/tourism is what I like to call "rudeness in aggregate". What I mean with that is that single individual people are doing nothing egregiously wrong as such, but above a certain number all combined create a strong negative ("rude") effect. The most obvious example of this in context of travel are these huge cruise ships. No one is really doing anything wrong with that, as such, but craptons of tourists descendin…

Ordinarily I disagree with this kind of thinking, but I live in Edinburgh, for some reason I hate that the old town now feels like a theme park, though I'm not sure why. Especially given that during lock down I walked around it a lot and missed all the tourists. Makes no sense.

Re: The Case Against Travel

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Do you really need to travel to China to get an appreciation for Chinese food? That’s kinda the point the author makes.

> Do you really need to travel to China to get an appreciation for Chinese food? That’s kinda the point the author makes. "when I was in Abu Dhabi, I went on a guided tour of a falcon hospital. I took a photo with a falcon on my arm. I have no interest in falconry or falcons, and a generalized dislike of encounters with nonhuman animals. But the falcon hospital was one of the answers to the question, “What does one d…

He's really doing the Instagram thing and then whining about it.

Re: The Case Against Travel

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post #101

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Travel/tourism is what I like to call "rudeness in aggregate". What I mean with that is that single individual people are doing nothing egregiously wrong as such, but above a certain number all combined create a strong negative ("rude") effect. The most obvious example of this in context of travel are these huge cruise ships. No one is really doing anything wrong with that, as such, but craptons of tourists descendin…

Ordinarily I disagree with this kind of thinking, but I live in Edinburgh, for some reason I hate that the old town now feels like a theme park, though I'm not sure why. Especially given that during lock down I walked around it a lot and missed all the tourists. Makes no sense.

It's about the number of people. Less than 5% is fun and allows you to meet all sorts of people from various places, at 5-15% it's already a bit more mixed, and at >15% it becomes disruptive to every-day activities and the place no longer feels "yours".

I'm just making these numbers up because I don't have a good way to estimate them, could also be ">50%" instead of ">15%". But that's what it comes down to.

I think COVID really highlighted the contrast; first it was a slow increase that you don't really notice directly, then suddenly none, and then suddenly a huge spike again. e.g. Edinburgh roughly doubled the number of tourists from 2012 to 2019[1] which, in spite of being a fairly large change, you probably don't really notice when spread out over a 7 year period.

[1]: visits to Edinburgh castle is probably a reasonable proxy: https://www.statista.com/statistics/586822/edinburgh-castle-...

Re: The Case Against Travel

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What work is being presented here, it's just an opinion piece. Analyzing an opinion piece through the lens of previously expressed opinion pieces is anything but an ad hominem attack. It's the only possible way to understand an opinion piece.

> Analyzing an opinion piece through the lens of previously expressed opinion pieces is anything but an ad hominem attack. The problem is that original poster did not provide any actual analysis or reason to support their assertion as this is not a famous or well-known enough person (at least within HN) to know automatically what their other opinions are on other matters. For this reason, I stand by my statement that…

> No, the only way possible to understand..

This is not true of anything. There are always multiple perspectives and ways of understanding things. We short-change ourselves and others when we think otherwise.

Re: The Case Against Travel

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post #101

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Travel/tourism is what I like to call "rudeness in aggregate". What I mean with that is that single individual people are doing nothing egregiously wrong as such, but above a certain number all combined create a strong negative ("rude") effect. The most obvious example of this in context of travel are these huge cruise ships. No one is really doing anything wrong with that, as such, but craptons of tourists descendin…

It’s weird to see downvotes on this comment. I think it is without question that me traveling to, say, Yellowstone is just fine but not if too many people do so each year. The damage done would ruin the place. At a higher level I think the issue is overpopulation combined with ease of travel. We cause too much damage.

> It’s weird to see downvotes on this comment.

I saw it stand at 0 (i.e. 1 downvote) shortly after I posted it; I don't know if it went lower than that, but probably not. A single person downvoting something shortly after it was posted can make something appear "as if it's downvoted", but more often than not it's just a single person. I wouldn't put too much stock in it.

Re: The Case Against Travel

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Do you really need to travel to China to get an appreciation for Chinese food? That’s kinda the point the author makes.

My best friend is Indian. Many of my friends are. We talked a lot about India. I read a lot about India. I watched a bunch of Indian movies. I ate my fair share of Indian food. And then I went there. Nothing could have prepared me for it. Seeing it for yourself is a whole different beast. It puts the whole thing in context. Reducing a whole culture to a meal in a local approximation of its cuisine? Come on. Hell, aft…

So pretend to understand after visiting for a long weekend?

Re: The Case Against Travel

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Sure there is. Do it once every 3 years. Simple math.

A sustainable level of CO2 emissions per person is 2.3 tonnes per year. This includes food, housing, clothing and transportation.

A 20 hour flight produces ~3 tonnes of CO2. This is ON TOP of the CO2 used up for living.

Re: The Case Against Travel

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Sure there is. Do it once every 3 years. Simple math.

A sustainable level of CO2 emissions per person is 2.3 tonnes per year. This includes food, housing, clothing and transportation. A 20 hour flight produces ~3 tonnes of CO2. This is ON TOP of the CO2 used up for living.

You haven't given the number of how much CO2 people use to live, only what the sustainable number is, so there isn't enough information to make any conclusion.
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