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Post by berkes »

gary_0 wrote: post #183
SenHeng wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Large contingent of 'no politics, not my business' in here.

A potential coup in one of the world's most populous countries, who are also in the midst of the largest war in Europe since WW2, is not just "politics". That's ridiculous. A major portion of Russia's de facto military, led by one of the country's most prominent figures, has left Ukraine and is heading for Moscow. This is history happening right in front of us. If HN was around in 1989, would the fall of the Berlin W…

This war is highly relevant even to a fictional Silicon Valley Tech Elite, as it causes unprecedented inflation, stock market rollercoasters, tech platforms and companies getting banned, counter banned etc.

Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

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Post by justsomehnguy »

dragonwriter wrote: post #155
justsomehnguy wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The army is in Zaporizhia Ah, yes, all 3 regiments, none left in Moscow.

UK MoD estimated earlier in the year that 97% of the Russian Army was deployed to Ukraine. The 1st Guards Tank Army, which includes the elite units traditionally tasked with Moscow's defense, the 2nd Guards Motor Rifle Division and the 4th Guards Tank Division has been heavily committed in Ukraine for most of the war. There is a defensive plan activated and deployment of forces in Moscow, sure, but Wagner has a lot o…

> 97% of the Russian Army

3% is not enough to keep the lights in a country this big.

It's no question where are the most but 3%? Doubt it.

Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

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Post by r00fus »

Vibgyor5 wrote: post #215
908B64B197 wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I find Russians to be highly political apathetic That's a good survival strategy. You'll see them side with the winner as soon as it becomes obvious who that is.

Its not. It is indifference which leads to the very few - who can hold the power - to continue holding it unobstructed and play their narrative with propaganda because they themselves know that even if people realize this is BS, they'd still not do anything about it. There is a cumulative "corruption of will" - for the lack of better term - that comes with it. And when there is no will, those who can have their way,…

You realize Putin jails his political adversaries and their supporters? Journalists who don’t tow the party line get silenced or fall out of a window.

Also the same government that conscripted war protesters then sent them to the front lines…

Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

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Post by cmurf »

Vibgyor5 wrote: post #207

I am in Russia currently. Not Russian but I speak fluent Russian and have acquaintances in affected territories. Update: 19:28 Moscow time. - Situation is normal in cities and oblasts: as in, there seem to be no panic but people are definitely reading the news. - Everyone support the government - although I find Russians to be highly political apathetic (which is one of the major roots of the problems in the country…

Russians aren't in a position to participate in anything approximating politics. There is no state in Russia, it collapsed long ago already. It is a mafia turf war.

All that matters is making money. Putin, Prigozhin, the Kremlin, do not care about Russians or Ukrainians. Don't care about their reputation, the world or treaties.

Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

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Post by hsjqllzlfkf »

_V_ wrote: post #176
iopq wrote: post #167

Why is this flagged? It might be the most important thing to happen all year

I honestly don't know. To me it is one of the most important event that is happening this year. That's why I posted it in the first place.

No doubt. And the invasion of Ukraine might be the most important event of the last 30 years.

Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

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Post by hsjqllzlfkf »

gary_0 wrote: post #183
SenHeng wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Large contingent of 'no politics, not my business' in here.

A potential coup in one of the world's most populous countries, who are also in the midst of the largest war in Europe since WW2, is not just "politics". That's ridiculous. A major portion of Russia's de facto military, led by one of the country's most prominent figures, has left Ukraine and is heading for Moscow. This is history happening right in front of us. If HN was around in 1989, would the fall of the Berlin W…

Yes it would. Because it would "be political" and gasp don't talk about politics!

Dong will tell you that this subject attracts flamewars, but then again I think he's just parroting what someone else told him and has really examined how people in HN actually discuss the subject.

Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

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Post by iavael »

r00fus wrote: post #223
Vibgyor5 wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its not. It is indifference which leads to the very few - who can hold the power - to continue holding it unobstructed and play their narrative with propaganda because they themselves know that even if people realize this is BS, they'd still not do anything about it. There is a cumulative "corruption of will" - for the lack of better term - that comes with it. And when there is no will, those who can have their way,…

You realize Putin jails his political adversaries and their supporters? Journalists who don’t tow the party line get silenced or fall out of a window. Also the same government that conscripted war protesters then sent them to the front lines…

What's wrong in 908B64B197's statement is not that it's a good survive strategy. It's wrong that russian commoners take sides. Indifference leads to caring only for yourself and those who are close to you. And whoever is in power - doesn't matter.

There's a ukranian proverb that is also part of russian culture in english it's meaning sounds like "lords fight - serfs struggle" (паны дерутся - у холопов чубы трещат). So for ordinary person best strategy is not to get yourself between Scylla and Charybdis and be loyal to any power unless you get direct profits from loyalty.

Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

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Post by mnky9800n »

Vibgyor5 wrote: post #207

I am in Russia currently. Not Russian but I speak fluent Russian and have acquaintances in affected territories. Update: 19:28 Moscow time. - Situation is normal in cities and oblasts: as in, there seem to be no panic but people are definitely reading the news. - Everyone support the government - although I find Russians to be highly political apathetic (which is one of the major roots of the problems in the country…

This is already over probably

https://t.me/komintariy

Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

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Post by lobocinza »

berkes wrote: post #221
gary_0 wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A potential coup in one of the world's most populous countries, who are also in the midst of the largest war in Europe since WW2, is not just "politics". That's ridiculous. A major portion of Russia's de facto military, led by one of the country's most prominent figures, has left Ukraine and is heading for Moscow. This is history happening right in front of us. If HN was around in 1989, would the fall of the Berlin W…

This war is highly relevant even to a fictional Silicon Valley Tech Elite, as it causes unprecedented inflation, stock market rollercoasters, tech platforms and companies getting banned, counter banned etc.

Many are cyclops and believe that what they can't see can't harm them.
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