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$900k Median Package for Engineers at OpenAI

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Re: $900k Median Package for Engineers at OpenAI

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Some made up new equity class that isn't actually equity, and caps your upside? Are we seeing a new level of startup management greed? That smells pretty scammy.

Common advice is to value earlier stage equity at zero anyway, so how the heck are people credibly calling that worth 600k...

Re: $900k Median Package for Engineers at OpenAI

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Now the problem is how to get into this kind of companies. Is LC hard mandatory for junior-senior (below lead) IC job?

Hard part is getting an interview. It helps a lot to know someone already inside, and this is pretty much standard for all companies regardless of prestige.

If you're really well-known, they'll come to you. Otherwise, get an insider referral.

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What I find more interesting is this: A sole proprietor landscaper making $45-50K a year in California is paying $675 a year in annual registration fees just to keep his newish pickup truck on the road. Why newish? Because the people he's servicing trust a guy with a nicer work vehicle than a beaten down 30 year old Tacoma. A $900k developer with the same pickup is also paying $675 a year. Extrapolate this seemingly…

I find it more interesting that the sole proprietor landscaper doesn’t just become a developer and make $900k a year. Extrapolate this to literally anyone making less than a developer.

Those skill sets aren't interchangeable.

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Honestly, if you take 300k home, the risk isn't that high. But the reward is insane.

To be realistic ... 300K in the bay is barely livable if you're targeting a middle class life with kids and targeting retiring at 65. First, ~46% of it is gone in taxes including federal tax (~25%), state tax (~8%), FICA (~4%), and sales tax on everything you eventually use the money for (~9%). So that's 162K left. Not a lot to pay sky-high rents, car payments, insane medical bills despite insurance, lawyers to fight…

Yeah, take home of $13.5k a month can get a little tight if you're looking at an $8k mortgage on a crappy little shithole condo

You surprisingly (considering you're making 5x the median household income for the US) end up having to lightly adhere to some sort of budget. With car payments, sending money to your family, and local inflated prices, it's easy to find yourself not saving enough for early retirement

I think if you just don't buy new cars or first class international plane tickets you can get by pretty comfortably though. I saved $100k a year with a pre-tax total comp of $350k for a few years in the Bay Area

Re: $900k Median Package for Engineers at OpenAI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, if you take 300k home, the risk isn't that high. But the reward is insane.

To be realistic ... 300K in the bay is barely livable if you're targeting a middle class life with kids and targeting retiring at 65. First, ~46% of it is gone in taxes including federal tax (~25%), state tax (~8%), FICA (~4%), and sales tax on everything you eventually use the money for (~9%). So that's 162K left. Not a lot to pay sky-high rents, car payments, insane medical bills despite insurance, lawyers to fight…

Unless you have a tax write off, then you don't have to pay that much tax.

You can get legal insurance as well and get all that nonsense done for $20.

Elderly people can go retire in Mexico and have a better life than whatever is possible in the US, in towns full of other retired people.

Re: $900k Median Package for Engineers at OpenAI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, if you take 300k home, the risk isn't that high. But the reward is insane.

To be realistic ... 300K in the bay is barely livable if you're targeting a middle class life with kids and targeting retiring at 65. First, ~46% of it is gone in taxes including federal tax (~25%), state tax (~8%), FICA (~4%), and sales tax on everything you eventually use the money for (~9%). So that's 162K left. Not a lot to pay sky-high rents, car payments, insane medical bills despite insurance, lawyers to fight…

[irony] Yeah, for less than 2 million a year you can't raise a family [/irony]

Re: $900k Median Package for Engineers at OpenAI

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It's always interesting to think about how someone somewhere is earning as much as you earn in a decade or lifetime in a single year. Also that you are that person for someone else.

What I find more interesting is this: A sole proprietor landscaper making $45-50K a year in California is paying $675 a year in annual registration fees just to keep his newish pickup truck on the road. Why newish? Because the people he's servicing trust a guy with a nicer work vehicle than a beaten down 30 year old Tacoma. A $900k developer with the same pickup is also paying $675 a year. Extrapolate this seemingly…

The sole proprietor is also able to get a tax deduction on his truck that the developer can't.

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I get what you're saying, but the median income for SFO is way below what tech people get paid. "barely livable" is perhaps a bridge too far for the $300k+ crowd. :)

> but the median income for SFO is way below Yes, it's a huge problem. There are greedy people buying more houses than they can use as investment vehicles, renting them out to everyone else who can't afford housing at unaffordable prices, and that ultimately increases prices across the board on everything because local businesses and service industry also need to rent commercial space and personal space -- and that u…

Yeah, they just need to put up a bunch of 10 story condo complexes all over the Bay Area. It's insane that Tokyo is so much cheaper than Mountain View

Re: $900k Median Package for Engineers at OpenAI

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$600K of that is “equity” in a private company. You never know when the company will go public or with what valuation. I can’t sell equity in a private company to exchange for goods and services like I can stock that gets deposited in my brokerage account every six months.

You can absolutely sell the PPUs in OpenAI, you will not struggle to find a buyer.

At the full value of $600K?

Re: $900k Median Package for Engineers at OpenAI

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Paying someone a lot doesn't magically make them a good engineer. You have to actually hire the best people, and there's only so many of them to go around.

I'm sympathetic to this argument, because I know both low-quality and high-quality engineers at most FAANGs, but in principle isn't offering a lot of money a good way to attract talent? In the case of OpenAI you also have interesting tech and a brand that will massively accelerate your career if you want to stay in that field. So while yeah, you have to hire the best people; and OpenAI like everyone else will be payi…

I worked with the enterprise sales team for awhile when I worked at Udacity and we did some research on job motivations to help answer questions about recruiting & retaining good engineers. We found that salary needs to be “enough” (varies by local market) but that people will literally relocate their families and lives to work on problems that they find interesting and that are a unique opportunity. The salary bump needs to be very large to achieve the same effect as “amazing opportunity”.

Both may be benefiting openAI here. There’s lots of places to work on LLMs but “GPT” is a product/brand that people have heard of, and if OP is to be believed then they certainly seem to be paying “enough”.

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