Why is this flagged? It might be the most important thing to happen all year
Large contingent of 'no politics, not my business' in here.
Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army
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#172Why is this flagged? It might be the most important thing to happen all year
I find this, so far, to be the single most important event since Kiev-not-falling-within-48 hours after the Chinese winter games last year.
This is the riptide. And Wagner surprisingly still has 20k - 30k soldiers. Even if it fizzles, this is a landmark in the war.
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#173Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army
#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you are talking about what to do with unloyal locals in Donetsk and Luhansk, I took it from ukranian propaganda, not russian. Russian government and it's mass-media has no trust in any questions (especially in Ukraine-related), no sane person trusts them, even ultra-Z-pro-war-vatniks (if we can call them sane).
Just get out of here. Many of my close friends are from the temporarily occupied territories. They speak russian, but they hate russia. They all fucking hate russia. For your claim to be so wildly inaccurate shows you haven't even a shred of credibility. And to accuse the Ukrainian government of genocide is disgusting. Go and take a long hard look in the mirror.
Nobody knows you. Whatever you want to argue, you're going to have to rely on references and coherence, because nobody cares about being shamed by anonymous commenter #1,234,567,890.
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#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you are talking about what to do with unloyal locals in Donetsk and Luhansk, I took it from ukranian propaganda, not russian. Russian government and it's mass-media has no trust in any questions (especially in Ukraine-related), no sane person trusts them, even ultra-Z-pro-war-vatniks (if we can call them sane).
Just get out of here. Many of my close friends are from the temporarily occupied territories. They speak russian, but they hate russia. They all fucking hate russia. For your claim to be so wildly inaccurate shows you haven't even a shred of credibility. And to accuse the Ukrainian government of genocide is disgusting. Go and take a long hard look in the mirror.
I didn't say that they love Russia. Heck, even many russians hate Russia the way it is now.
What I am saying is that even reintegration of population of occupied territories is not an easy task. That's why in ukranian public space there's no easy plan of doing this because they know would be a hard work (mass deporations wouldn't be accepted by EU and US for reason I stated and "we just turn off russian propaganda" is necessary but not sufficient by itself).
And you are talking about integration of 13+ mil population of your direct enemy that is even harder work. What for?
All of these regions except Belgorod cannot fully supply own budgets and they recieve dotations from federal budget (even Belgorod barely does this and tearing established economic connections with other russian regions would severe it's ecomonic abilities). So it's not an economic reason like "we would tax them to get money".
Next what about integration in ukranian society. Ukraine nation was indeed forged in this war, but russians never were part of it (ukranian society). So this means that Ukraine would have to federalise (which it clearly avoided) or it will try to ukrainise russian population (that would create additional tensions). So for the point of internal politics this would only bring additional problems too.
Now maybe this will help in internations politics somehow? Ukraine is clearly directing itself towards eurointegration. One of the reasons why EU was uncertain about Ukraine joining it was size of the country. Now after ukranian martyrship that's unlikely to be an issue but it definitely would be if Ukraine somehow gets 50% bigger. At least it won't help with direction towards EU.
I don't know ukranian politics wery well and I don't see any viable reasons for Ukraine to join these russian regions.
But maybe you being more familiar with what happens inside Ukraine can enlighten me because I may be missing something or see some aspects in wrong light.
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#176Why is this flagged? It might be the most important thing to happen all year
I honestly don't know. To me it is one of the most important event that is happening this year.
That's why I posted it in the first place.
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#177Why is this flagged? It might be the most important thing to happen all year
Large contingent of 'no politics, not my business' in here.
That's kind of stupid - politics affect our lives whether we like it or not. Especially these kinds of events where Russia might collapse from within.
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#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
He is complaining that the West does a poor job of elevating well-informed commenters to prominence. Having close association to the Soviet/Russia watching community since the 1980s, I agree. The problem is that the kind of people who get the on-the-ground experience you need are not the type who play politics well and rise in organizations.
It's also because journalists are experts in nothing but journalism. Instead of finding domain experts and giving them communications training and a platform to reach an audience, we instead find people with nothing useful to share, and give them journalism degrees. Journalism should be an activity that our most knowledgeable people do, not our least.
> finding domain experts and giving them communications training and a platform to reach an audience
Good journalism is hard. Being a domain expert in some area doesn’t naturally translate into a talent or passion for journalism or public outreach.
Overall, I do agree with you. I just think it’s easier said than done. I’d say the legacy blue checks were often an example of what you’re describing—but those are now meaningless for evaluating if someone is a domain expert.
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#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
He watched the US disaster with Iraq and was like “oh yeah? hold my vodka…” He even spread lies about Ukrainian bio weapons (WMDs!) in an echo of the Iraq war buildup BS. Someone should have told him that Iraq was a disaster for the US and is now widely regarded as such by most of DC (whether or not they say it in public).
America lost like 4k soldiers over the 8 year war and lost no economic standing. It was expensive and stupid but not really a disaster for us. Russia has lost over 100k in a year and effectively destroyed their economy and place in the world outside of nukes, all for basically no reason.
Yes, hence the “hold my vodka” joke. Usually that trope (original is “hold my beer”) indicates that the second imitator is going to do something far worse or dumber.
Not sure about the origin but it may be one of the “famous last words” list jokes. Other famous last words I remember included “watch this” and “I got this bro.”
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#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
Large contingent of 'no politics, not my business' in here.
That's kind of stupid - politics affect our lives whether we like it or not. Especially these kinds of events where Russia might collapse from within.
Yes but it’s part of how this site has avoided being sucked into the culture war vortex.