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The rule says, “No vehicles in the park”

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Re: The rule says, “No vehicles in the park”

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The number at the end is unclear - it says I agreed with the majority 11%, but then it shows a bunch of charts. Yet the three I said were vehicles (the car, the police vehicle, and the ambulance) are the only 3 above 50% support, so it seems I agreed with the majority 100%. I even opened a second session in another browser and hit yes to everything to see if the numbers in the chart was the amount that agree with me,…

The only one red in my chart is the car and I too got 11%.

Re: The rule says, “No vehicles in the park”

#732
post #489

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yes, you can academically wonder whether an orbiting space station is a vehicle and whether it's in the park, but the obvious intent of the sign couldn't be clearer. Cars/trucks/motorcycles aren't allowed, and obviously police and ambulances (and fire trucks) doing their jobs don't have to follow the sign. Now you're assuming the intent. The park could contain loose soil on the edge of a cliff, so any vehicle drivi…

>Now you're assuming the intent. That's true but without assuming intent you end up blindly following rules. Something struck me when first moved to UK from Turkey: Every rule in UK seemed to have an intent and that's why I think Turkey is full of rules which no one follows but in UK the rules are less numerous but followed. In Turkey, Turks like to think that the rules are not followed because the fines are too smal…

> until (literally)yesterday live music after midnight was banned in Turkey as part of Covid-19 measures?

That contains its own embedded example. “This music is not being performed 1 hour after midnight; it is being performed 23 hours before midnight.”

Re: The rule says, “No vehicles in the park”

#733
This is a bit of a straw man, because (1) a real sign would say something "no motorized vehicles allowed in park". (2) implied with the sign is the jurisdiction of whoever put it there - presumably the city goverment which doesn't control things in the airspace high over the ground, and which grants exemptions to emergency services.

Re: The rule says, “No vehicles in the park”

#734

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same here. I looked at the intent of the rule given the context. Rules are enforced by humans not robots and are meaningless without context. When you do try to enforce rules literally, you end up with kids being expelled because they brought an action figure to school, or teenagers being executed because they fell into a flower bed.

You weren't being asked to enforce a rule, you were being asked to determine if a rule has been violated.

Whether a rule has been violated is a meaningless concept outside of the context of enforcement.

Natural language itself must be interpreted within a context.

Re: The rule says, “No vehicles in the park”

#735

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Two things really jump out at me.. I grew up in America which is fairly rule-obeying. Lived in Australia and New Zealand which are disgustingly, obsequiously devoted to following tiny guidelines. Spent a few weeks in Munich where I was shouted at for crossing a totally empty street against a crosswalk light. On the plus side, I lived in Argentina and Spain for a long time where basically there is no enforcement of an…

> Spent a few weeks in Munich where I was shouted at for crossing a totally empty street against a crosswalk light. I don't understand this. I live near Munich, people cross against a red light all the time. Maybe you were doing it near children? That's a real social faux-pas, because they're not supposed to normalize jaywalking.

Exactly! I like to explain this kind of casual rulebreaking to US/UK people as being the German equivalent of using disgusting swearwords. Fine to do with your friends if nobody is around, or if you want to look tough or whatever, but don't do it in crowds and especially not in front of children.

Re: The rule says, “No vehicles in the park”

#736

This is a bit of a straw man, because (1) a real sign would say something "no motorized vehicles allowed in park". (2) implied with the sign is the jurisdiction of whoever put it there - presumably the city goverment which doesn't control things in the airspace high over the ground, and which grants exemptions to emergency services.

What about powered electric wheelchairs?

Re: The rule says, “No vehicles in the park”

#737

I'm fascinated by the fact that my takeaway is the precise opposite of what the author intended. To me, the answer to all of the questions was crystal-clear. Yes, you can academically wonder whether an orbiting space station is a vehicle and whether it's in the park, but the obvious intent of the sign couldn't be clearer. Cars/trucks/motorcycles aren't allowed, and obviously police and ambulances (and fire trucks) do…

One thing we can be sure of is that if there is a rule, there is someone trying to test its absolute limits (and our tolerance for BS, I suppose).

Re: The rule says, “No vehicles in the park”

#738

I'm fascinated by the fact that my takeaway is the precise opposite of what the author intended. To me, the answer to all of the questions was crystal-clear. Yes, you can academically wonder whether an orbiting space station is a vehicle and whether it's in the park, but the obvious intent of the sign couldn't be clearer. Cars/trucks/motorcycles aren't allowed, and obviously police and ambulances (and fire trucks) do…

I considered the emergency vehicles to be violations of the rule, but that they were defensible exceptions. To borrow a legal concept, that they are emergency vehicles was an affirmative defense, meaning I had to first admit they violated the rule.

Re: The rule says, “No vehicles in the park”

#739

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> obviously police and ambulances (and fire trucks) doing their jobs don't have to follow the sign Most likely true. But to me the answer for the question itself is not about whether the rule can be overridden by any other rules. It’s purely about the rule itself. The intro supports this: > You might know of some rule in your jurisdiction which overrides local rules, and allows certain classes of vehicles. Please dis…

The only one that I don't understand is the horse. A horse is not a vehicle. A horse is a horse, of course.

And no one can talk to a horse, of course.

Re: The rule says, “No vehicles in the park”

#740

I'm fascinated by the fact that my takeaway is the precise opposite of what the author intended. To me, the answer to all of the questions was crystal-clear. Yes, you can academically wonder whether an orbiting space station is a vehicle and whether it's in the park, but the obvious intent of the sign couldn't be clearer. Cars/trucks/motorcycles aren't allowed, and obviously police and ambulances (and fire trucks) do…

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