Declassified U.S. report on origins of Covid-19 virus [pdf]

Post by Klinky » Sat, Jun 24, 2023, 4:32 AM UTC

synetic wrote: post #108

Klinky wrote: post #31

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Many conspiracy theorists have claimed it was a bio-weapon, along with other batshit stuff like Bill Gates & 5G. Read both quotes, not just the last one.

When I wrote “lab leak theorists” I had in mind experts who think it was a leak. I was not thinking of kooks. I should have been more explicit. In general, I think it best for intelligence agencies not to write things to counter what looney people think. Such people can’t be convinced of anything that is contrary to their lunacy.

Post by ifyoubuildit » Sat, Jun 24, 2023, 4:41 AM UTC

rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #79

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> It does seem odd they would want to set up a lab in close proximity to what they wanted to study The lab was nowhere near the site of what they were studying. The coronavirus strains came from a cave 600 miles away and brought to Wuhan for further study. Again, none of these viruses have a unique furin cleavage site for ACE-2. If you read the FOIA document requests, one of the people who got grant money said "I jus…

> The lab was nowhere near the site of what they were studying. > The coronavirus strains came from a cave 600 miles away and brought to Wuhan for further study. The best theory I've come across is that patient zero was a person collecting bats in caves for the lab in Wuhan. By all records, they wore woefully inadequate PPE (unlike the people in the lab itself who had well-established procedures). This theory explain…

Post by Glyptodon » Sat, Jun 24, 2023, 4:44 AM UTC

baumy wrote: post #67

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I think there's some confusion and rewriting of history going on here. The left wasn't denying the possibility that it leaked from the Wuhan lab. This was a theory very early on and it wasn't "denied" more that it wasn't substantiated. It became political when it was asserted by people on the right, without any actual research or investigation, that was an intentional release from China. Majority of that blame falls…

Candidly, I think that this comment is actually the one rewriting history. There absolutely, 100% was complete denial, all originating on the political left, that a leak from a lab in China was a possibility. No confusion about intentional vs accidental - total denial of the possibility in any way shape or form. Suggesting it was possible, much less plausible or even likely, was labeled racist. Attempts were made (wi…

Post by userbinator » Sat, Jun 24, 2023, 5:02 AM UTC

booleandilemma wrote: post #103

baumy wrote: post #67

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Candidly, I think that this comment is actually the one rewriting history. There absolutely, 100% was complete denial, all originating on the political left, that a leak from a lab in China was a possibility. No confusion about intentional vs accidental - total denial of the possibility in any way shape or form. Suggesting it was possible, much less plausible or even likely, was labeled racist. Attempts were made (wi…

You're right, and it's not even hard to verify it, just look at this comment from December 2020: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25587409 In the US, it's because this claim, or rejection of it, is strongly tied to political identity. Because the US is highly polarized right now, once political identity comes into play, you've left the realm of rationality and entered the realm of tribalism.

Post by abracadaniel » Sat, Jun 24, 2023, 5:14 AM UTC

ESTheComposer wrote: post #101

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At the time, it was absolutely misinformation. That it may actually be true doesn’t make it less so.

What? It was misinformation then but it might be true so its ok now? That means it wasn't misinformation then either. Also who decides what is misinformation?