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Declassified U.S. report on origins of Covid-19 virus [pdf]

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Re: Declassified U.S. report on origins of Covid-19 virus [pdf]

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Post by rekttrader »

Klinky wrote: post #40
EMM_386 wrote: post #34

The Wuhan Institute of Virology was working on adding a unique furin cleavage site to a bat coronoavirus strain to make it bind to human ACE-2 receptors. This is factual, because the grant proposals are out there and DARPA in the US turned them down: https://theintercept.com/2021/09/23/coronavirus-research-gra... Suddenly, we have a global pandemic featuring a bat coronavirus with a unique furin cleavage site that bi…

Neither of those are definitive sources of evidence. Grant proposals that were denied and statements that the furin site could've evolved naturally or been lab manipulated, aren't really evidence that COVID-19 leaked from a lab.

That’s absurd.

Re: Declassified U.S. report on origins of Covid-19 virus [pdf]

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Post by xupybd »

dannyz wrote: post #43
EMM_386 wrote: post #34

The Wuhan Institute of Virology was working on adding a unique furin cleavage site to a bat coronoavirus strain to make it bind to human ACE-2 receptors. This is factual, because the grant proposals are out there and DARPA in the US turned them down: https://theintercept.com/2021/09/23/coronavirus-research-gra... Suddenly, we have a global pandemic featuring a bat coronavirus with a unique furin cleavage site that bi…

It does seem odd they would want to set up a lab in close proximity to what they wanted to study

That doesn't really detract from the cluster of coincidences.

Re: Declassified U.S. report on origins of Covid-19 virus [pdf]

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Post by Clent »

pasquinelli wrote: post #26
splendor_spoon wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Conservatives need for the lab leak theory to be correct as they were wrong about basically all other points on covid. They refused to believe in masks, lockdowns, and social distancing and paid the ultimate price at a much higher rate. [0] [0] https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/03/03/the-changing...

i had no idea the lab leak theory was conservative. i suppose it was silly of me not to realize every opinion that a person can have has already been claimed by liberals or conservatives, such that holding that opinion means you're more liberal/less conservative, or more conservative/less liberal.

Unfortunately, American politics end up being very divisive. The right has been calling this the China virus since the beginning. Anything that can be used to show that's 'true' will result in the right's echo chamber amplifying it.

As for the left, well I am not sure there is an official position other than waiting for more data. China is definitely sus but they are always like that from a western perspective so I don't know that I weight it much.

Other than the smugness in watching the right be wrong again, I am not aware of anyone on the left that is invested in either outcome.

It's a matter of waiting for the crucial data being found. How long did it take us to pin point the source of other pandemics?

This stuff takes time.

Internet speculation only takes seconds.

Re: Declassified U.S. report on origins of Covid-19 virus [pdf]

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Post by Klinky »

colechristensen wrote: post #48
Klinky wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither of those are definitive sources of evidence. Grant proposals that were denied and statements that the furin site could've evolved naturally or been lab manipulated, aren't really evidence that COVID-19 leaked from a lab.

Definitive proof? No. Damning evidence? Yes.

It's not damning evidence either.

Re: Declassified U.S. report on origins of Covid-19 virus [pdf]

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Post by asynchronous »

_-____-_ wrote: post #50
ed25519FUUU wrote: post #37

It’s sad this became so political with people. Total brain rot.

I don't even understand why it became political. What incentive do people on the left have to deny the obvious conclusion that it came from the lab?

[Current thing] says X. You must follow [current thing]. Critical thinking not allowed.

Re: Declassified U.S. report on origins of Covid-19 virus [pdf]

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Post by Klinky »

rekttrader wrote: post #51
Klinky wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither of those are definitive sources of evidence. Grant proposals that were denied and statements that the furin site could've evolved naturally or been lab manipulated, aren't really evidence that COVID-19 leaked from a lab.

That’s absurd.

No, absurdity is citing sources that say "maybe it was, maybe it wasn't" then claiming they mean it "definitely was".

Re: Declassified U.S. report on origins of Covid-19 virus [pdf]

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Post by asynchronous »

Klinky wrote: post #40
EMM_386 wrote: post #34

The Wuhan Institute of Virology was working on adding a unique furin cleavage site to a bat coronoavirus strain to make it bind to human ACE-2 receptors. This is factual, because the grant proposals are out there and DARPA in the US turned them down: https://theintercept.com/2021/09/23/coronavirus-research-gra... Suddenly, we have a global pandemic featuring a bat coronavirus with a unique furin cleavage site that bi…

Neither of those are definitive sources of evidence. Grant proposals that were denied and statements that the furin site could've evolved naturally or been lab manipulated, aren't really evidence that COVID-19 leaked from a lab.

I wish I had your faith.

Re: Declassified U.S. report on origins of Covid-19 virus [pdf]

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Post by gurchik »

userbinator wrote: post #3

In case anyone else is wondering: I instinctively checked the redacted areas, and there is indeed nothing there but a black rectangle.

The last bullet on page 3 (page 4 of the pdf) seems to have a character that was forgotten to be redacted? The same thing happens a few pages later

Re: Declassified U.S. report on origins of Covid-19 virus [pdf]

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Post by Klinky »

asynchronous wrote: post #58
Klinky wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither of those are definitive sources of evidence. Grant proposals that were denied and statements that the furin site could've evolved naturally or been lab manipulated, aren't really evidence that COVID-19 leaked from a lab.

I wish I had your faith.

I am not relying on faith, I am reading the cited sources.
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