They just need to become a better prompt engineer. Send them to Andrew Ng course
Two US lawyers fined for submitting fake court citations from ChatGPT
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Re: Two US lawyers fined for submitting fake court citations from ChatGPT
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There still needs to be a human manually proofreading them, even if it's as trivial as looking up whether the cited cases actually exist. Same goes for code outputs from currently available AI tools: some still needs to debug them to make sure it works, and fix any troubles that spring up during deployment and production. Of course after some number of iterations, AI may gain the ability to self-check and self-correc…
Maybe. But I keep thinking it's not going to replace the single paralegal that a single lawyer has, but it might reduce the 9 paralegals to 6, and then 4, and then..
That's a fair point, but AI tools could also unlock higher potential for them to take on more workloads. Perhaps by maintaining the same number of paralegals or even hiring more, they could take on an exponentially higher number of cases than before. There's infinite room for new litigation as long as human society persists.
Re: Two US lawyers fined for submitting fake court citations from ChatGPT
#163LegalEagle did a video on this case two weeks ago, digging into it in some more depth: https://youtu.be/oqSYljRYDEM They lied to a judge, doubled down, showed further incompetence by admitting to not knowing how the legal reference they supposedly quoted was even structured, then lied to a judge again trying to get more time to get their story straight, and all it cost them was $5000? And even then they have the guts…
> and all it cost them was $5000? They also have to write written apologies to their client, and all of the judges who were mentioned in their fake cases, with proof filed in the docket. And they are the brunt of a very well-publicized lawsuit. The judge is effectively saying that all that publicity is punishment enough; he doesn't need to do anymore. He doesn't need to refer them to the bar for disbarment--the bar a…
No one is going to be disbarred over this, disbarment is a very high bar to clear. You have to extort your client or take some other brazenly malicious or illegal action.
Re: Two US lawyers fined for submitting fake court citations from ChatGPT
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You’re very wrong about the perception of doctors. According to polls, doctors are the 2nd most trusted profession. https://news.gallup.com/poll/388649/military-brass-judges-am... My wife runs the resident eduction for her division and they are very aware of the dangers of sending an incompetent doctor out into the world to practice. They’ll force them through extra training and make them repeat residency if they hav…
> According to polls, doctors are the 2nd most trusted profession. n=1 anecdote here: When I was in research track biochem and bumped into premed students, nearly the entire population of premed didn't seem to care about the science behind what they were learning. They formed a very different social clique. The "top students" in that set were sharing previous years' organic chemistry exams and none of them would read…
This is because medicine is so complex and usually doctors are in the business of caring for patients, and while they may enjoy science, it’s not like every single detail of medicine, which is a very broad field, will be interesting to them. At some point, the MoA of a drug just becomes another fact to memorize for board exams. clinical application is far more based on experience and familiarity compared to abstract theoretical knowledge, even though this forms the base for medicine.
Re: Two US lawyers fined for submitting fake court citations from ChatGPT
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Re: Two US lawyers fined for submitting fake court citations from ChatGPT
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>You’re very wrong about the perception of doctors. According to polls, doctors are the 2nd most trusted profession. https://news.gallup.com/poll/388649/military-brass-judges-am ... https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/top-spenders?cy... They are the 4th largest briber in the US.
Far be it from me to defend our system of lobbying the government, but there's a big difference between bribery and federal lobbying. Your phrasing poisons the well.
No.
Finding a difference between bribery and federal lobbying with money, is the same outcome.
Money goes from person who wants, to person with power who receives. Everything else is theatre.
Re: Two US lawyers fined for submitting fake court citations from ChatGPT
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I've worked with legal software professionally a few times, and kept thinking software won't replace lawyers, it'll replace paralegals. Not all, but a great deal of grunt work could be replaced with AI and good forms. Now if we could get them not to lie?
> Now if we could get them not to lie? This reminds me. Whatever happened to IBM’s Watson? It’s not a LLM right? But it seem similar enough function wise.
Watson wasn't just one thing, it was a marketing term to combine all IBM's efforts to do early AI like efforts. They didn't have any real success in making a product out of anything and stopped marketing 'Watson'
Re: Two US lawyers fined for submitting fake court citations from ChatGPT
#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
>You’re very wrong about the perception of doctors. According to polls, doctors are the 2nd most trusted profession. https://news.gallup.com/poll/388649/military-brass-judges-am ... https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/top-spenders?cy... They are the 4th largest briber in the US.
Far be it from me to defend our system of lobbying the government, but there's a big difference between bribery and federal lobbying. Your phrasing poisons the well.
"Paying money to legislators and regulators with the intent of swaying their decisions to suit your interests".
Lobbying is legal because we live in a society that places such a high value on money that we've accepted bribery as a means to increase its power.
Re: Two US lawyers fined for submitting fake court citations from ChatGPT
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Far be it from me to defend our system of lobbying the government, but there's a big difference between bribery and federal lobbying. Your phrasing poisons the well.
No. Finding a difference between bribery and federal lobbying with money, is the same outcome. Money goes from person who wants, to person with power who receives. Everything else is theatre.
In the case of lobbying you can go look on a website and see who took money from whom when you’re choosing who to vote for.
The money that comes from lobbying is also limited and pays for reelection, the candidate doesn’t get to use it for personal expenses.
There are clearly problems with the system, but yelling no! it’s exactly the same as taking bribes isn’t helpful.
Re: Two US lawyers fined for submitting fake court citations from ChatGPT
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Maybe. But I keep thinking it's not going to replace the single paralegal that a single lawyer has, but it might reduce the 9 paralegals to 6, and then 4, and then..
That's a fair point, but AI tools could also unlock higher potential for them to take on more workloads. Perhaps by maintaining the same number of paralegals or even hiring more, they could take on an exponentially higher number of cases than before. There's infinite room for new litigation as long as human society persists.
Well, then either it will empower the "little guy" to do more (more your example) , or empower big business to capture more big business (more my example). Wanna guess which one I'm betting on?