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Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

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Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

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Post by rdtsc »

Wagner leader Prigozhin is gambling and betting everything on red (or black?).

The problem for the Russian government is that many ordinary pro-war Russians see Prigozhin as a hero. If they kill him, he'll become a martyr.

For all I care both sides are war criminals and should answer for their atrocities in Ukraine. If they can kill each other without also killing civilians, don't think we should stand in their way too much.

Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

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Post by _V_ »

fwungy wrote: post #15

This is absurd. It makes no sense. I'm calling psyop.

Who knows, too soon. But Prigozhin did seemingly lose to Shoigu earlier when Putin agreed to have all the "external" soldiers to be under the ShoiguúMoD command.

So this may very well be the final fight between the two.

Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

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Post by valine »

fwungy wrote: post #15

This is absurd. It makes no sense. I'm calling psyop.

It could be a psyop, but it's far from absurd. Tensions between Yevgeny Prigozhin and Putin have been high. Most notable were the public threats from Wagner to pull out of Bakhmut due to lack of supplies. If anyone has the potential to seize power away from Putin, it's Prigozhin.

Prigozhin has an army, one which is vital to Putin's war effort. Do you really think Prigozhin wouldn't turn on Putin given the opportunity?

Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

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rdtsc wrote: post #23

Wagner leader Prigozhin is gambling and betting everything on red (or black?). The problem for the Russian government is that many ordinary pro-war Russians see Prigozhin as a hero. If they kill him, he'll become a martyr. For all I care both sides are war criminals and should answer for their atrocities in Ukraine. If they can kill each other without also killing civilians, don't think we should stand in their way t…

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Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

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Post by int_19h »

5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #5

There has been a lot of talk, but no concrete actions yet. No marches anywhere, no clashes between regular armed forces and the PMC, nothing. Some armored vehicles were put on the streets of Moscow and Rostov (which is located near the border with Ukraine), but that's about it. https://t.me/svtvnews/31224 https://t.me/svtvnews/31232

Prigozhin claims that the army hit Wagner bases in Ukraine with rockets, although there doesn't seem to be any confirmation of this so far.
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