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New study suggests that lab-grown meat produces up to 25 times more CO2

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Re: New study suggests that lab-grown meat produces up to 25 times more CO2

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Post by myshpa »

NoZebra120vClip wrote: post #78
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #48

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The solutions of "everyone just needs to do " are a dime a dozen. We could solve war if everyone just stopped fighting. It's better to fix incentives such as making meat more expensive through taxes or fewer subsidies on meat or feed grains (corn). Or making vegetables cheaper. I could see a serious PR campaign to support farmers/small business (conservative hook) and eat local planet variety combined with fulfilling…

Salads carry a huge profit margin at restaurants. Everyone loves to eat healthy or at least believe that they're doing so. A salad is a great healthy choice (until you slather it with dressing, which is nutritionally awful stuff.) But a house salad is composed of the cheapest ingredients ever: you've got tomatoes, iceberg lettuce, shredded carrots, cucumbers, a little shredded cheese and croutons. But you can charge…

Salads and corn? Your idea of what vegans eat is very much off.

Vegans consume a variety of plant-based foods such as fruits, vegetables, grains, legumes, nuts, seeds, and plant-based alternatives.

Most of the recipes you know and love can be modified to have a vegan version.

Re: New study suggests that lab-grown meat produces up to 25 times more CO2

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Post by myshpa »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #48
myshpa wrote: post #18

Or we could switch to eating plants now. We already get 82% calories and 63% proteins from plants. https://ourworldindata.org/land-use If the world adopted a plant-based diet we would reduce global agricultural land use from 4 to 1 billion hectares https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets We could stay on our 1% of habitable earth, lower our agricultural footprint from 48% of land to 15%, use quarter of pesticides,…

The solutions of "everyone just needs to do " are a dime a dozen. We could solve war if everyone just stopped fighting. It's better to fix incentives such as making meat more expensive through taxes or fewer subsidies on meat or feed grains (corn). Or making vegetables cheaper. I could see a serious PR campaign to support farmers/small business (conservative hook) and eat local planet variety combined with fulfilling…

Subsidies (for fossil fuels and animal agriculture) are not free market.

And "free market" got us where we're now.

Re: New study suggests that lab-grown meat produces up to 25 times more CO2

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Post by the_third_wave »

soared wrote: post #83
prottog wrote: post #79

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It's so strange that a mostly cloudy country at 51ºN spent so much money developing solar energy.

Solar works when it’s cloudy.

It does but at a greatly reduced output (5-20% of rated output depending on the thickness of the cloud cover). Partly cloudy weather leads to a very bumpy output graph.

Re: New study suggests that lab-grown meat produces up to 25 times more CO2

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Post by peteradio »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #190
yamazakiwi wrote: post #158

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That is pretty much what the previous comment was implying. Any comparison outside of goal-setting (if that is the case) is most likely purposefully biased or misleading.

Thank you, that was exactly the point.

Sorry, I may have read it a little literally/uncharitably. It sounded to me like you were saying any comparison is disingenuous.

Re: New study suggests that lab-grown meat produces up to 25 times more CO2

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Post by prottog »

soared wrote: post #83
prottog wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's so strange that a mostly cloudy country at 51ºN spent so much money developing solar energy.

Solar works when it’s cloudy.

I mean, of course, but is it really the best use of the limited resources of a nation? Germany isn't playing to its natural competitive advantage by pursuing solar, vs. someplace like Morocco. Nuclear would be a much better option, but we know how that ended up.

Re: New study suggests that lab-grown meat produces up to 25 times more CO2

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Post by kelipso »

red-iron-pine wrote: post #178
probablypower wrote: post #166

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How is the legality of residential chicken breeding relevant to this discussion on the environmental impact of lab-grown meat?

It's not, but the bots are out in force

When you lose an argument, call the winner of the argument a bot. Works every time.

Re: New study suggests that lab-grown meat produces up to 25 times more CO2

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Post by myshpa »

asciimov wrote: post #47
myshpa wrote: post #18

Or we could switch to eating plants now. We already get 82% calories and 63% proteins from plants. https://ourworldindata.org/land-use If the world adopted a plant-based diet we would reduce global agricultural land use from 4 to 1 billion hectares https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets We could stay on our 1% of habitable earth, lower our agricultural footprint from 48% of land to 15%, use quarter of pesticides,…

Even plant farming isn't without issues. Plant farming eventually strips the nutrients from the soil, and then they end up having to use lots of man made chemicals to "fix" the problem. We have to find a way to be more sustainable in our agriculture.

Cows eat 22 kg of plants to make 1 kg of meat, out of every 100 kcal you feed them you'll get 2 kcal of meat. Why not skip the inefficient intermediary?

And we could/should use nitrogen fixing plants and biodiversity instead of man made chemicals.

Re: New study suggests that lab-grown meat produces up to 25 times more CO2

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Post by myshpa »

asciimov wrote: post #181
xnx wrote: post #53

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Absolutely. A great way to reduce the impact of plant farming is to do less of it. Something like 1/3 of farmland is used to grow crops that are fed to animals. https://ourworldindata.org/global-land-for-agriculture

How many more things will we have to plant to offset the meat eating?

If the world adopted a plant-based diet we would reduce global agricultural land use from 4 to 1 billion hectares

https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets

We could double forest area, stop biodiversity loss and store whole 1.5C carbon budget with subsequent reforestation effort. Studies confirming this exist. It's the easiest and surest way how to stop climate change.

Re: New study suggests that lab-grown meat produces up to 25 times more CO2

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Post by awb »

thebigwinning wrote: post #200
abeppu wrote: post #174

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... did you just call someone a communist for daring to disagree with you? My problem is unnecessarily destructive practices which are causing giant and totally avoidable crises. If we were running the same meat production system in a centrally planned economy under some "the proletariat deserves meat" party plan with the same concentrated waste from feedlots, reckless use of antibiotics, clearing of the Amazon for r…

I didn't say anything about communists. I am arguing that people's complaints about meat or not unique and apply to most other economic goods.

In the sense of consumers worrying about their goods creating pollution, yes thats a common concern. Many consumers choose to evaluate goods based on their environmental impact.

But animal meat is different from most consumer goods in the sense that it’s alive and conscious. There isn’t much comparison to other goods there.

Re: New study suggests that lab-grown meat produces up to 25 times more CO2

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Post by baremetal »

dmbche wrote: post #195
TrispusAttucks wrote: post #192

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I do raise meat animals. This is life. We must eat. Large scale plant agriculture is also destructive. There is no escape.

It's orders of magnitude less destructive. We have to at least try to make an effort and not give up and "enjoy the status quo while it lasts" It's going to take work - giving up before trying isn't going to help. And telling others to give up won't either.

>It's orders of magnitude less destructive.

Citation needed.

I'm not sure you've ever been around industrial scale mono-cropping agriculture. The amount of pesticides, fertilizers, and herbicides is astronomical.

And you are worried about a little cow poop? Which is natural and beneficial to the soil? Have you ever heard of regenerative agriculture? That is what I practice.

We live in such an alarmist society one can read a few headlines and think the world is going to end. Or think they are educated about a topic.

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