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That should be a career-ending move, not a fine.
Why so eager to end someone's career? He did a lazy/stupid thing. People do far worse things. The client may want to sue them and seek damages or something and that'd be fair but I don't think their career should end. That's harsh.
Do they just not understand how ChatGPT works? Do they think it's a search engine?
LegalEagle did a video on this case two weeks ago, digging into it in some more depth: https://youtu.be/oqSYljRYDEM They lied to a judge, doubled down, showed further incompetence by admitting to not knowing how the legal reference they supposedly quoted was even structured, then lied to a judge again trying to get more time to get their story straight, and all it cost them was $5000? And even then they have the guts…
> and all it cost them was $5000? They also have to write written apologies to their client, and all of the judges who were mentioned in their fake cases, with proof filed in the docket. And they are the brunt of a very well-publicized lawsuit. The judge is effectively saying that all that publicity is punishment enough; he doesn't need to do anymore. He doesn't need to refer them to the bar for disbarment--the bar a…
They'll probably just have ChatGPT write their apologies for them.
It blows my mind that a lawyer would go through all the schooling and DEBT just to use ChatGPT and risk losing their BAR card. Sure, I see plenty of uses for ChatGPT in their field, but to not even check the output before submitting it is what blows my mind.
Now many, if not likely most, of the well-schooled are generally intelligent, but of course there are also quite a few rich idiots as well.
(Today, of course, most of the latter go into tech.)
LegalEagle did a video on this case two weeks ago, digging into it in some more depth: https://youtu.be/oqSYljRYDEM They lied to a judge, doubled down, showed further incompetence by admitting to not knowing how the legal reference they supposedly quoted was even structured, then lied to a judge again trying to get more time to get their story straight, and all it cost them was $5000? And even then they have the guts…
Sorry to be cynical, but this sounds like they delegated their defense to AI as well... in the near future this kind of argument will probably work in a lot of contexts.
God help us when it helps in court.
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> and all it cost them was $5000? They also have to write written apologies to their client, and all of the judges who were mentioned in their fake cases, with proof filed in the docket. And they are the brunt of a very well-publicized lawsuit. The judge is effectively saying that all that publicity is punishment enough; he doesn't need to do anymore. He doesn't need to refer them to the bar for disbarment--the bar a…
"They also have to write written apologies to their client, and all of the judges who were mentioned in their fake cases, with proof filed in the docket." They'll probably just have ChatGPT write their apologies for them.
As an AI language model...
That should be a career-ending move, not a fine.
Why so eager to end someone's career? He did a lazy/stupid thing. People do far worse things. The client may want to sue them and seek damages or something and that'd be fair but I don't think their career should end. That's harsh.
Because certain careers, e.g. lawyers, surgeons, and law enforcement give their practitioners the ability to make or break their clients, potentially killing them or ruining them financially and/or socially. Such professions must, for reasons of social sanity, be held to higher standards than someone who's career is, e.g., writing web apps or serving coffee.
Do they just not understand how ChatGPT works? Do they think it's a search engine?
This thread: do they not know what ChatGPT is? Did they not verify the output? How could they believe this?
Just maybe when an army of grifters jumps on the next hottest AI thing to advance their careers that kind of bald-faced lying has consequences?
It blows my mind that a lawyer would go through all the schooling and DEBT just to use ChatGPT and risk losing their BAR card. Sure, I see plenty of uses for ChatGPT in their field, but to not even check the output before submitting it is what blows my mind.
It shouldn't be so mindblowing. People are lazy and dumb, as much so as they're allowed to be. We're a year away from this tech being completely mainstream to the point where we'll find out what happens when an entire society at once stops trying to think/work because there's a machine to do it for them now.