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Re: Amazon cancels my account after exposing account lockout for “racist doorbell” [video]

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Yep. I got a counterfeit product, reviewed it with photos showing it alongside the authentic version and the very obvious differences (like lack of branding). Rejected as "the information we have indicates that the product you received was authentic." This along with receiving so many low quality products that have glowing 4-5 star reviews has destroyed a lot of my trust in Amazon. I now order direct from manufacture…

This is going to be a huge problem in the medical/health vertical. It's one thing to get a BommyTahama pair of sunglasses, it's quite another to get counterfeit supplements that could cause injury.

My rule for Amazon is absolutely nothing life/health/safety related, and nothing that goes on or in your body.

They simply cannot be trusted for these kinds of things.

Re: Amazon cancels my account after exposing account lockout for “racist doorbell” [video]

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Sorry, I guess I am nieve. But what is a racist door bell?

This story, which Louis commented on in previous videos: https://medium.com/@bjax_/a-tale-of-unwanted-disruption-my-w... On HN (among other threads): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36296250

Wow. An "allegedly" racist door bell, but it's an accurate description. Thanks!

Re: Amazon cancels my account after exposing account lockout for “racist doorbell” [video]

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I actually think triage systems like this are part of the problem. I know some social media management platforms offer this type of insights, so brands can be more responsive to people with large followings. But do they deserve better support than the rest of us?

I'm certain the comment was ironic, emphasizing that there's a real possibility, if not probability, that Amazon has done this exact childish vindicative behavior on others, but we'd never know about it for those individuals lack the ability to reach millions at the tap of a button. It's also another warning about just blindly sacrificing your privacy or other interests to a massive corporation. Because that massive…

Yes, may have been ironic; but did the first guy who was wronged have a big following on social media?

Re: Amazon cancels my account after exposing account lockout for “racist doorbell” [video]

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This is going to be a huge problem in the medical/health vertical. It's one thing to get a BommyTahama pair of sunglasses, it's quite another to get counterfeit supplements that could cause injury.

Well, I wasn't going to say so here, but I will because it's important context and might lead Google searchers to this thread: the product I was talking about is Preparation H, a medicated wipe made by GSK Consumer Healthcare for people with hemorrhoids. (Yes, I have filed detailed reports with the FDA and FTC)

How did you know it was a fake?

I've got counterfeit electrical goods on Amazon (solid state relay that was rated at something like 40A, but on opening it up after realizing it was counterfeit, found the electronics were only rated to something like 10A).

I complained in a review, that review never got published, despite the only SKU having only one seller - the purveyor of the counterfeit items. I did notice they blurred the logo of the real brand in some pictures later, though.

Re: Amazon cancels my account after exposing account lockout for “racist doorbell” [video]

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Your friend probably made the driver feel unsafe; drivers are quite vulnerable to physical violence. Hard to defend yourself from attacks from behind you, driving or not.

I understand. Another reason I haven't pursued this (not like it would matter - I don't have millions of social media followers). The additional context here is she was yelling at me more than the driver and this was in a small Midwestern town where crime (and especially violent crime) is nearly non-existent. Unlike some of the incidents you hear about where there is physical violence there is a near-zero chance the…

The ban for selling GPUs I can't defend, but for the Lyft and Uber cases, I'm torn. Yes, companies are getting trigger-happy, but have you seen humanity lately? People are also trigger-happy and when triggered are becoming more and more belligerent and violent. As a company, for safety reasons you must be able to kick-out/ban them. People are freaking out in stores, public transport, airlines, everywhere. You don't want to be sitting next to someone at 30K feet in an airplane who's one comment away from having a total violent freakout.

Re: Amazon cancels my account after exposing account lockout for “racist doorbell” [video]

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similarly, a few days ago I was working on a project with a couple of people and I had our meeting notes in a Google Doc. I went to share the doc with the people and was told that it wouldn't be possible due to "inappropriate content". after a quick scan of the text I realised that it was because the notes contained the word "imagery" - in relation to a logo. once removed, the problem went away, but it's disgusting t…

> the right to scan your documents Don't they have legal liability here? There is stuff that they can actually get into actual legal trouble for facilitating the sharing and hosting of.

If it is text, am I not allowed to use Google Docs to write my erotic Harry Potter fan fiction?

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> firing at least two people involved in the debacle The idea that after a mistake companies should fire people leads to company cultures that are overall worse for everyone, including customers/users. Demand that they apologize, even that they give compensation, but not firing.

Yes and I find it similarly extreme that a company would disable someone's doorbell because one person claimed something racist was said through it (?!?!). Are they going to set up a little Amazon Ring court to adjudicate every claim?? If Amazon hadn't taken that extreme step in the first place, the stakes wouldn't be so high, and there would be less reason to discipline the employee (for the record I don't think the…

Ironically, the doorbell was the thing that wasn't an Amazon product and wasn't disabled. ;-)

And yes, I recanted on the 'firing" part, but I still feel that Amazon's "resolution" here was weak-sauce compared to the "extreme" action taken in the first place. At this point, I'm guessing they wish they'd offered the customer some minor token (say 2 years of free Prime at a minimum) compensation in return for an NDA on the topic. 20/20 hindsight ;-)

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I unironically have no issue with racists being locked out of their homes. Perhaps with the doorbell robot giving them sarcastic responses to their pleas.

I heard from someone you said a racist word.

I advocate for you to be locked out of all your stuff, with no trial or anything.

Re: Amazon cancels my account after exposing account lockout for “racist doorbell” [video]

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Thanks for the summary but you're burying the lede - what the hell is a racist door bell?

> what the hell is a racist door bell? Perhaps a door bell that grew up in a well-off (maybe even a gated) community that learned to fear people that are different ?

/b grows their own AI door bell

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In the absence of law, there is only power.

Same is true in the presence of law; there's just more bureaucracy.

I disagree. Law (not in a vacuum but as practiced) can distribute power and thus unseat the power of strength alone. In many places throughout history, a strong person could hit whomever they wanted excepting the rich and aristocratic. A man could in this way dominate his family and neighbors. The only recourse was honor killing and revenge.

Today, in many places, even minor assault will result in consequences. In this way, the law redistributes power from the physically strong to those who may be weak but who have legal standing.

Of course, in an absolute sense, everything redounds to power. All law is in the end, enforced at the point of a gun. But this is an observation with very little practical utility IMO. It's like the saying which people employ when things are not going well, "it could be worse".

To be clear, I'm am here making a case for law as an insurance against indivual domination and warlordism which I think it can be. I am not making a case for the state in general though.

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