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GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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It's entirely on brand for rms to be opposed to CoCs.

Not too surprising, considering he was essentially pushed out of his own projects by the same very people obsessed with instituting them.

Yes, being held accountable for poor behavior is clearly a problem for him.

Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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wow—that's a lot to read into just a single word! > It sounds like arrogance, group-think, and a lack of empathy for outsiders was pretty much at the heart of your cyber-libertarian dream utopia. that sure is one way to characterize being a lonely teen who discovered a feeling of belonging in an emergently developing meta-culture set in an incredibly diverse environment of digital creativity, inspiration, and hope fo…

> were you there for the Old Times?

Do you even lift, bruh?

Come on, you said you were in middle school in 2004ish. "Old Times", indeed.

Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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That is pretty invasive behavior, I won't lie. However, if [this]( https://blade.ruby-lang.org/ruby-core/72916 ) is the tenor of the "valid points" brought up against her CoC, I'm... not impressed. It's just standard conservative whining. The language you use towards other people does matter, actually, to the kind of culture and environment you build, and wanting to have guidelines around that doesn't make you "perpe…

If we're talking software projects, and especially large open source projects with dozens, hundreds or even thousands of contributors, we also have to realize that there's many, MANY people from all over the world with all sorts of opinions to be found amongst the contributors. One man's (or woman's) idea of what is offensive can be entirely innocent to another, and vice versa of course. And I don't see why anyone's…

Fair enough I guess

Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Does the ISO have a CoC? What about ANSI?

ISO does and it was adopted by WG21 (the C++ group). With debate and some people leaving the committee in response.

WG21 should look at the mistakes of Rust and the Rust Foundation and learn from them.

Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Can you provide more details? I’ve been working on open source projects for about a decade now, including years of professional work, and I have never seen or heard someone chastised for using “guys” informally. This includes in communities with established, formal codes of conduct. It strikes me as something that most people wouldn’t even notice , unless the speaker was intentionally using it in a way that implies g…

I think hangops slack has one of those; https://twitter.com/hangops

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Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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The only effect of a Code of Conduct I have ever personally witnessed was that people were being bullied for greeting others. The greeting they used was "hey guys", and instead of recognizing that language is fluid and different to different people they tried to impose their linguistic views on others. The people who encouraged this behavior were people on the Code of Conduct committee and at the top of the project's…

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Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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The only effect of a Code of Conduct I have ever personally witnessed was that people were being bullied for greeting others. The greeting they used was "hey guys", and instead of recognizing that language is fluid and different to different people they tried to impose their linguistic views on others. The people who encouraged this behavior were people on the Code of Conduct committee and at the top of the project's…

I personally never contribute to an OSS that has a CoC, and if I find my organization is using OSS that has a CoC I actively work to remove it and ban my employees from contributing to it. CoC's are poison, and if your project has a "Code of Conduct committee" it is dead to me. I fully admit this hasn't been possible for everything, but I'm making great progress

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But if you speak up you're a pedo… I wrote on a debian mailing list a while ago, when they wanted to sign against rms. I didn't address all the accuses against him, just the one about being ableist, and how as a disabled person I don't think non-disabled people should decide just to push their agenda. Anyway, I got some thanks in private, for speaking up, but nobody publicly replied. the mail in question, if you care…

Also, Stallman is clearly a neurodivergent individual, so shouldn't we at least try to be accepting and inclusive of that, too (within limits, of course) instead of jumping on every awkwardly worded remark and interpreting that in the most negative possible way? "Assume good faith" etc. I wrote a "Stallman is not a good leader, but he's not a transphobic ableist monster" article and I got more feedback over email and…

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Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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Possibly a big mistake to make this post, but I've written my own code of conduct template, which I use on my projects (mostly since snyk, github and similar scanners rank you down if you don't have it). https://github.com/ltworf/international_code_of_conduct/blob...

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Re: GCC Adopts a Code of Conduct

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That's both ambitious and a little daring. One place where I disagree is in the "skill discrimination" section. If you look up the definition of the word "discrimination", you'd see that it probably means something different (in common use) than what you intend. I'd be fine with agreeing that volunteers are not obligated to put energy in to low quality / low energy contributions, but saying explanations aren't requir…

I've had people who send a pull request that has 1 commit, changes 2000 lines and fails all the tests and expect me to merge it and spend the time myself to fix that mess. I've tried to explain kindly why I reject and what to change… but results were poor. The code of conduct doesn't forbid to try, it just doesn't punish giving up.

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