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Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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When you need rescue in mountains, you pay. Full stop. If they deployed chopper, you pay full price of it too. Obviously there is an insurance for mountain climbing. But search party is not free, just that insurance pays if you have it.

Not here in BC: https://www.nsnews.com/bc-news/bcsara-launch-video-series-to...

It is so in Europe in Alps and other national parks.

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600 refugees drowned in the mediterranean and the captain of one of the non profit rescue vessels operating in the mediterranean is facing 20 years in prison. barf.

To be pedantic, it was immigrants, not refugees. It is unnecessary sensationalisation to claim they were refugees. Unless of course in your point of view anyone that seeks a better future to avoid problems in their own country is a refugee, which could be a point of view but not one I (or dictionaries) agree with.

These aren’t people who applied to immigrate, following the prescribed process. They’re desperate people who are being literally smuggled across the Mediterranean to seek refuge in Europe.

How are they not refugees?

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Correcting knowing knowledge always comes with the chance that what you're observing may be invalid for reasons you aren't considering. So in this regard you're largely agreeing with the post you're ostensibly arguing against. Everybody else says e.g. the coefficient of lift is x, I say it's y - is not just a "discovery", but going against the conventional knowledge of laws of physics of a given time. It's not like t…

> Correcting knowing knowledge always comes with the chance that what you're observing may be invalid for reasons you aren't considering. They set up experiments to prove the existing theory was wrong. That is completely counter to what you write. Nobody else did that. > It's not like the aviation enthusiasts prior to the Wright Bros were just strapping aluminum sheeting to their backs and jumping off cliffs. Well I…

Mindlessly strap some wings on yourself and the only place you're going is six feet under. In aviation everybody was building on the shoulders of those that came before them. That included Wright Brothers who heavily credited Otto Lilienthal among others. You could draw a tree of aviation and it'd be going back with Clement Adler, Percy Pilcher, George Cayley, and many more names. And these guys were all brilliant inventors, engineers, and entrepreneurs in their own right. All engaging in a similarly rigorous process, but starting with less available information at their fingertips.

In many problems where we're all just standing on the shoulders of those who came before us, somebody's going to eventually get high enough to grab the flag. And while that final achievement deserves distinguished recognition, marginalizing the merit, impact, and ability of the countless individuals holding us up is just crass.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Lilienthal

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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What really bothers me about the coverage of this, and I'm not totally anti media etc, was that nobody mentioned on the fact that the tracking system lost contact also. It was only mentioned that the communications was lost, if there had of been media mentioning that the tracking device also lost contact, I think a lot of people would have recognised straight await that it was a critical collapse. No deep gauge devic…

More than that, one report mentioned the US Navy notified the search teams that they heard an explosion Sunday night and used it to limit the search area. The US Navy has literally has experience detecting underwater explosions (see project Azorian). It's not guaranteed of course, but any loud sound near the point of contact loss seems pretty open shut. Imo, it made a more interesting story in a slow news cycle. How…

News is "new"(s). Nothing new about car accidents

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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The most troubling thing about this to me is Stockton Rush’s cavalier attitude toward ageism [1]. In considering young college graduates as uniquely “inspirational” he set them up for a lifetime of guilt. I don’t think age or race has any place in inspirational calculus. I’m uncomfortable with how comfortably he dismisses submariner veterans as “old white guys”. Engineering is a discipline that requires experience an…

In a discussion with a work colleague, we agreed on the hope that out of this incident comes an increase in respect for "proper" engineering, maintenance, safety considerations; don't just remove Chesterton's fence because it's your way - it's in your way to slow you down and force you to look at something other than the obvious.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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He might as well have said I couldn't inspire a 60 year old veteran in the field to work for me like a slave for pittance of a salary. In engineering experience and precision and discipline matters a lot. OTOH I hope he still is alive somewhere somehow down there and gets rescued, but he does speak like a douchustler.

The submarine imploded, so that is VERY unlikely.

Oh I was not aware of that part of the news. Sorry to hear this.

I thought they were still searching.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Besides the "what about this other accident with 500 victims!!!", "these people are dumb", and the "look how they ignored safety!" comments, I can't help but be amazed at how events like this make people crawl out of the woodworks spouting complete falsities as if they're facts. I've seen so many boneheaded comments over the last few days that I don't even know how to list all of them out, from people saying that Tit…

Comments about years of ignoring safety are not stupid, neither are comments comparing to other more working-class tragedies.

You use an idiom comparing people to insects crawling fourth from woodwork like some master of science laughing at the plebs.

That said of course lots of stupid stuff is said, it's the internet, but your comment is just as stupid which is pretty funny.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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The most troubling thing about this to me is Stockton Rush’s cavalier attitude toward ageism [1]. In considering young college graduates as uniquely “inspirational” he set them up for a lifetime of guilt. I don’t think age or race has any place in inspirational calculus. I’m uncomfortable with how comfortably he dismisses submariner veterans as “old white guys”. Engineering is a discipline that requires experience an…

Most old engineers I’ve worked with are terrible and many younger ones are way more talented.

The situation is quite often the exact opposite: young engineers often fail to see the big picture and don’t know how to find the adequate architecture or approach to solve a problem in a genuine way, while experienced engineers will have a natural, intuitive approach that works easily.

I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve looked at a project by some engineer in their 20s, and it is so over-engineered and complicated, entirely lacking in any ability to future proof against onboarding or feature development, so clever they probably are very proud of themselves, but mostly useless.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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The most troubling thing about this to me is Stockton Rush’s cavalier attitude toward ageism [1]. In considering young college graduates as uniquely “inspirational” he set them up for a lifetime of guilt. I don’t think age or race has any place in inspirational calculus. I’m uncomfortable with how comfortably he dismisses submariner veterans as “old white guys”. Engineering is a discipline that requires experience an…

What? Meditate on? What are you smoking?

Anyone remembers the Boeing MAX 8 issues? Safety procedures / processes had been disabled on purpose for greed and people eventually died as a result. History has a truckload of examples in that direction, also because, despite better knowledge, proactively trying to prevent problems is often seen as some expense that is not needed ... until something happens and then the blame shifting starts.

At least in this case the perpetrator was eating his own dog food and choked on it. Good riddance. Unfortunately, and yet again, others had to suffer (and some do for having lost family / friends) for this incompetence as well. But there will be no learning process, the amount of people like him is just too vast and they are too dense in their heads to face reality for what it is because they are just too used to "bending reality" to their will. That works with people (up to a certain degree), but when it comes to physics, there is a hard wall they will crack their skulls open.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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The most troubling thing about this to me is Stockton Rush’s cavalier attitude toward ageism [1]. In considering young college graduates as uniquely “inspirational” he set them up for a lifetime of guilt. I don’t think age or race has any place in inspirational calculus. I’m uncomfortable with how comfortably he dismisses submariner veterans as “old white guys”. Engineering is a discipline that requires experience an…

Most old engineers I’ve worked with are terrible and many younger ones are way more talented.

And what do you think happens to those talented young engineers when they get older? Are they no longer talented, just old?
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