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Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by keepamovin »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #615
bilekas wrote: post #357

What really bothers me about the coverage of this, and I'm not totally anti media etc, was that nobody mentioned on the fact that the tracking system lost contact also. It was only mentioned that the communications was lost, if there had of been media mentioning that the tracking device also lost contact, I think a lot of people would have recognised straight await that it was a critical collapse. No deep gauge devic…

More than that, one report mentioned the US Navy notified the search teams that they heard an explosion Sunday night and used it to limit the search area. The US Navy has literally has experience detecting underwater explosions (see project Azorian). It's not guaranteed of course, but any loud sound near the point of contact loss seems pretty open shut. Imo, it made a more interesting story in a slow news cycle. How…

For whatever reason, disasters are normally covered like this. Death tolls gradually get revised up, survivors gradually get out of hope.

I'd like to believe it's just a natural dynamic of how humans learn information about something sudden and bad, but maybe it's to some extent, deliberate to squeeze as much out of the story as possible.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by cco »

grog454 wrote: post #719
jacquesm wrote: post #440

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It's an interesting question. (One of very few on this subject that are really interesting.) Those who cause progress to happen to some extent have to have something in them that causes them to ignore conventional wisdom. Because they're swimming against the current. And if they succeed it may well pay off, both in credits and financially. Montgolfier brothers, Lilienthal, the Wright brothers and so on, and that's ju…

This makes me wonder how we went from Wright brothers to commercial flight. Despite being the longest Wikipedia article I've ever seen the Wright Brother's wiki doesn't seem to cover it. Maybe it's a poorly defined question.

I believe the answer is war. If there is a class of folks outside of "the inventor" that you can risk on an experimental aircraft, it's soldiers.

WW1 happened very quickly after the invention of the plane and there was a huge explosion in quantity and type of airplane in WW1.

I'm no historian though, there could be nuances I'm missing.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by worrycue »

nicce wrote: post #620
krisoft wrote: post #586

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> Submarines cannot communicate more hundred meters in the bottom of sea. Sorry if I am misunderstanding you. It sounds like you are saying that it is impossible to design a system which would be able to keep in contact with the submarine/submersible all the way down to the bottom? Because if that is what you are saying that is simply false. We have the technology to keep in contact with a submarine all the way to th…

If you read the article, you know that the context was extremely specific and not suitable for general use. The noise is too big problem. In ”normal” context such signal is not currently known to be really possible. You know that submarines are not equipped with these. The ship on the surface had to drop cable 100 meters below the ship to combat noise. Which means that for communication to be possible, ship cannot re…

I think for 3-4km it’s practical to run a wire from the surface all the way to the submersible - that’s what they do for torpedos and anti-tank TOW missiles.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by LanceH »

brendamn wrote: post #686
ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #615

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More than that, one report mentioned the US Navy notified the search teams that they heard an explosion Sunday night and used it to limit the search area. The US Navy has literally has experience detecting underwater explosions (see project Azorian). It's not guaranteed of course, but any loud sound near the point of contact loss seems pretty open shut. Imo, it made a more interesting story in a slow news cycle. How…

> How many people died in car accidents the last few days? Car accidents (not involving anyone of note) sadly aren’t novel or newsworthy anymore. A submarine, with people potentially trapped onboard, with limited oxygen, as rescue teams race to the dive site, unfolding in real-time, isn’t exactly something that happens that often.

At the scene of the Titanic. No small feat. If two people had gotten married there, it could make the news for a while.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by IG_Semmelweiss »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #738
az226 wrote: post #707

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The looking glass was only rated for 4,000 feet. Implosion happened around 9,000 feet, which would suggest the glass handled over twice its rated depth.

and survived several dives before that to 13000ft, no?

Flip a coin enough times, it's bound to be tails

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by LanceH »

mulmen wrote: post #730
YLYvYkHeB2NRNT wrote: post #711

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The cynic in me whispers that the alphabet media were told what really happened, but said, wait a minute... We can milk this. Here's the narrative for the next few days...

That doesn't make you a cynic, it makes you a conspiracy theorist.

Not because any one of them would be against doing something like that, but no one of them could resist breaking it themselves.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by Auracle »

LeftHandPath wrote: post #715
methodical wrote: post #315

Besides the "what about this other accident with 500 victims!!!", "these people are dumb", and the "look how they ignored safety!" comments, I can't help but be amazed at how events like this make people crawl out of the woodworks spouting complete falsities as if they're facts. I've seen so many boneheaded comments over the last few days that I don't even know how to list all of them out, from people saying that Tit…

I saw someone on reddit insisting they were doomed because the hatch didn't open from the inside. Opening the hatch? At 13,000 feet below sea level?!

It apparently had dissolving straps on a ballast so it would (almost) surface on its own in case of issues.

If it wasn’t an explosive event they would have been stuck just under the surface with no way to get out. That said, opening a hatch in that scenario would be an absolute last resort anyways. It’s not like the people that went overboard on the Titanic lasted long and it’s in the same exact place.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by gmerc »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #615
bilekas wrote: post #357

What really bothers me about the coverage of this, and I'm not totally anti media etc, was that nobody mentioned on the fact that the tracking system lost contact also. It was only mentioned that the communications was lost, if there had of been media mentioning that the tracking device also lost contact, I think a lot of people would have recognised straight await that it was a critical collapse. No deep gauge devic…

More than that, one report mentioned the US Navy notified the search teams that they heard an explosion Sunday night and used it to limit the search area. The US Navy has literally has experience detecting underwater explosions (see project Azorian). It's not guaranteed of course, but any loud sound near the point of contact loss seems pretty open shut. Imo, it made a more interesting story in a slow news cycle. How…

600 refugees drowned in the mediterranean and the captain of one of the non profit rescue vessels operating in the mediterranean is facing 20 years in prison.

barf.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by hyperthesis »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #615
bilekas wrote: post #357

What really bothers me about the coverage of this, and I'm not totally anti media etc, was that nobody mentioned on the fact that the tracking system lost contact also. It was only mentioned that the communications was lost, if there had of been media mentioning that the tracking device also lost contact, I think a lot of people would have recognised straight await that it was a critical collapse. No deep gauge devic…

More than that, one report mentioned the US Navy notified the search teams that they heard an explosion Sunday night and used it to limit the search area. The US Navy has literally has experience detecting underwater explosions (see project Azorian). It's not guaranteed of course, but any loud sound near the point of contact loss seems pretty open shut. Imo, it made a more interesting story in a slow news cycle. How…

From the date of lost-contact (18 June 2023), there have been 13 deaths from mass shootings in the US. https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting
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