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Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by YLYvYkHeB2NRNT »

bilekas wrote: post #357

What really bothers me about the coverage of this, and I'm not totally anti media etc, was that nobody mentioned on the fact that the tracking system lost contact also. It was only mentioned that the communications was lost, if there had of been media mentioning that the tracking device also lost contact, I think a lot of people would have recognised straight await that it was a critical collapse. No deep gauge devic…

The cynic in me whispers that the alphabet media were told what really happened, but said, wait a minute... We can milk this. Here's the narrative for the next few days...

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by CryptoBanker »

krisoft wrote: post #599
methodical wrote: post #315

Besides the "what about this other accident with 500 victims!!!", "these people are dumb", and the "look how they ignored safety!" comments, I can't help but be amazed at how events like this make people crawl out of the woodworks spouting complete falsities as if they're facts. I've seen so many boneheaded comments over the last few days that I don't even know how to list all of them out, from people saying that Tit…

> to people speculating that the passengers may have drowned In layman terms “drowned” simply means that you died under water. It is not a sophisticated statement about the manner of anyone’s passing. People in the know understand that on a submarine you can die of hypoxia (if they mismanage the oxygen), or die of hypothermia (if they get stuck on the bottom with an intact pressure vessel, but no electricity) or die…

Who died and made you the authority on layman terms? I'm pretty sure most people if they heard "drowned" would assumed that it was because they had water in their lungs

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by az226 »

arthurcolle wrote: post #161
soperj wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least he died doing it and not someone he employed.

Well his actions lead to several other people dying too. Maybe the ticket they bought has a contract that exempts OceanGate (tragic name for a company going through their own #OceanGate a la Watergate) from any liability, but I hope this company gets annihilated in court with criminal and civil penalties. Slacking this hard on safety for a submarine engineering company should not be tolerated in our rapidly advancing…

OceanGateGate

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by az226 »

cma wrote: post #554
somedangedname wrote: post #500

A former US Navy submariner recently released a video about the Titan and the issues he could see with its design: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4dka29FSZac

He seems unaware that they made several trips to the Titanic in the sub already.

Carbon fiber would get worn down very rapidly compared to steel.

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Post by LeftHandPath »

methodical wrote: post #315

Besides the "what about this other accident with 500 victims!!!", "these people are dumb", and the "look how they ignored safety!" comments, I can't help but be amazed at how events like this make people crawl out of the woodworks spouting complete falsities as if they're facts. I've seen so many boneheaded comments over the last few days that I don't even know how to list all of them out, from people saying that Tit…

I saw someone on reddit insisting they were doomed because the hatch didn't open from the inside.

Opening the hatch? At 13,000 feet below sea level?!

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Post by School-Cotton »

mock-possum wrote: post #307
hawk_ wrote: post #206

I am curious how we (the society) justify the shared costs incurred in searching for people involved in such a reckless mission.

Easy - if it was us down there, or someone we cared about, we’d want the search to happen

That’s not a sound argument. I would like the government to give me a billion dollars. That doesn’t necessarily mean I’d like the government to give a randomly selected person a billion dollars.

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Post by serf »

jacquesm wrote: post #421
rozal wrote: post #410

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Nice effort but that's not how carbon fiber fails. It shatters rather than crumples.

there isn't "a way carbon fiber fails", it fails according to how the structure was designed, and how the carbon fiber is utilized.

buckling delaminations -- espescially when alongside honeycomb or similar substrates -- very much looks like a 'crumpling'; unless you want to classify all epoxy matrix failures as a 'shattering', but I think that's far too generous given the variety of failure modes.

[0]:https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Compressive-failure-mode...

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by stcroixx »

CryptoBanker wrote: post #712
krisoft wrote: post #599

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to people speculating that the passengers may have drowned In layman terms “drowned” simply means that you died under water. It is not a sophisticated statement about the manner of anyone’s passing. People in the know understand that on a submarine you can die of hypoxia (if they mismanage the oxygen), or die of hypothermia (if they get stuck on the bottom with an intact pressure vessel, but no electricity) or die…

Who died and made you the authority on layman terms? I'm pretty sure most people if they heard "drowned" would assumed that it was because they had water in their lungs

Agree, am layman. Dying in a fire underwater is not drowning.

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Post by grog454 »

jacquesm wrote: post #440
js2 wrote: post #348

> OceanGate’s submersibles are the only known vessels to use real-time (RTM) hull health monitoring. With this RTM system, we can determine if the hull is compromised well before situations become life-threatening, and safely return to the surface. This innovative safety system is not currently covered by any classing agency. Given that Stockton Rush risked and lost his own life, he must have believed these words. He…

It's an interesting question. (One of very few on this subject that are really interesting.) Those who cause progress to happen to some extent have to have something in them that causes them to ignore conventional wisdom. Because they're swimming against the current. And if they succeed it may well pay off, both in credits and financially. Montgolfier brothers, Lilienthal, the Wright brothers and so on, and that's ju…

This makes me wonder how we went from Wright brothers to commercial flight. Despite being the longest Wikipedia article I've ever seen the Wright Brother's wiki doesn't seem to cover it. Maybe it's a poorly defined question.

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Post by WalterBright »

js2 wrote: post #348

> OceanGate’s submersibles are the only known vessels to use real-time (RTM) hull health monitoring. With this RTM system, we can determine if the hull is compromised well before situations become life-threatening, and safely return to the surface. This innovative safety system is not currently covered by any classing agency. Given that Stockton Rush risked and lost his own life, he must have believed these words. He…

Consider Charles Lindbergh. A lot of people thought he was crazy:

1. trying to fly the Atlantic

2. flying without a relief pilot

3. flying with only one engine

4. flying without a radio

I don't recall if he had a life raft.

Previous attempts had resulted in disappearing forever, and being incinerated in a fireball on takeoff.

BTW, during WW2 the air crews ferried their own B-17s across the Atlantic. Quite a few left Newfoundland and were never seen again. There was no rescue if they went down. Navigation was still primitive. My dad (navigator) was immensely pleased that they hit Ireland within a mile of their goal.

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