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LexisNexis is selling personal data to ICE so it can try to predict crimes

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Post by olyjohn »

paxys wrote: post #19
droopyEyelids wrote: post #11

ALPR Automatic License Plate Readers are a significant portion of this article, and they raise a lot of questions in my mind. If the police have access to realtime info on the location of all vehicles, how is auto theft still a thing? How are gangs stealing $100k worth of tools from hardware stores and driving away scott free? Are we just at a time before wide use of the data ALPRs provide?

It's very rare for a crime to be truly unsolvable. For the vast majority it's all about the amount of time and effort the authorities want to put in. License plate readers or not, if your local PD and the DA's office have decided to deprioritize auto thefts then there's nothing you can do about it.

I don't know why this is downvoted. In the car community, you hear TONS of stories about stolen cars. The owners have tracking devices, video with clear shots of the people stealing it with their faces, location of the car, plates of the getaway car, and every piece of evidence handed to them on a silver platter. And the cops never do anything.

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Post by djur »

0xParlay wrote: post #50
wefarrell wrote: post #10

It's pretty crazy that our legislators and courts haven't addressed this loophole that allows law enforcement agencies to buy data that they can't legally collect. This essentially nullifies the fourth amendment.

How tempting would it be to use blackmail to influence a democratic election. Given this national security blackmail apparatus exists how can we be sure this insidious rootkit hasn’t already been deployed? Epstein was able to have bill gates in his back pocket due to knowing about his affair. Imagine having access to that kind of leverage on every reporter journalist activist politician etc. I can’t be sure the integ…

Where did you read that about Epstein and Gates?

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Post by olyjohn »

jandrese wrote: post #29
mhb wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't the chop shop locations show up at the hub of stolen car paths when the ALPR data is used retrospectively for cars reported as stolen?

I imagine chop shop owners would destroy all nearby license plate cameras when setting up their location.

ALPRs are usually on regular cars, which have regular people driving them around. You don't see them and they're paid to drive around all day. They're contracted like Uber.

Cop cars also have them, and so do parking enforcement, etc. They're generally not fixed locations.

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Post by varenc »

If you're in California you can opt-out of all sale of your personal data on LexisNexus here: https://consumer.risk.lexisnexis.com/request#california

In theory, it's a one-step process, though we'll see. Also if you request information they send it to you over snail-mail.

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Post by pixl97 »

constantly wrote: post #69
JohnFen wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> in cases where the user has freely given out their information How often have people freely given their information? I'd argue that if you have to give out information in order to live, that doesn't count as freely giving it. That's being compelled to give it. In US society, it's literally impossible to live without giving your information to a variety of entities.

I freely give out my information when I choose to use Facebook, Instagram, MySpace, google maps while logged into google, sweetgreen for ordering for pick up, Uber eats while ordering for delivery. There are myriad of cases where people choose to give out their personal information — and yes before you protest: I can live without having my Sweetgreen ready when I arrive (versus ordering at the terminal when I arrive)…

Lets say you live in a cul-de-sac for this.

I setup a camera recording everything you do in your lawn and document when leave and come back to your house. I bundle this up with everyone else's information and sell this to the government.

Where was your "freely giving information out at".

You quickly turn into "even going outside removes any privacy I have and the government can pretty much track everything I do".

Also, going to those stores will gladly track you with cameras too. You're left farming weeds in the mountains to get away from this.

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Post by 0xParlay »

djur wrote: post #72
0xParlay wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How tempting would it be to use blackmail to influence a democratic election. Given this national security blackmail apparatus exists how can we be sure this insidious rootkit hasn’t already been deployed? Epstein was able to have bill gates in his back pocket due to knowing about his affair. Imagine having access to that kind of leverage on every reporter journalist activist politician etc. I can’t be sure the integ…

Where did you read that about Epstein and Gates?

Forbes, Guardian.. pretty widely reported on last month.

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Post by pixl97 »

jameshart wrote: post #57
nonameiguess wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All they had to do was scrape public records before they were sealed or expunged. When a record is sealed or expunged, that only means the court stops publishing it or deletes their record. Anyone who retrieved it before that doesn't have to give it back and nobody's memory gets wiped.

But the court also can’t confirm the veracity of the claimed record. Anyone can say ‘there was a record of nonameiguess being charged with this crime in this court on this date but it’s since been expunged’. Okay, but you’re not that court, and the official records don’t exist so… what good does it do?

LN: "Sorry you don't get a house|job|whatever"

You: "Um, why not?"

LN: "That's our secret"

Course you won't even know LN is even involved in the loop. You're being judged in a court of opinion with no recourse.

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Post by qingcharles »

activiation wrote: post #49
wefarrell wrote: post #10

It's pretty crazy that our legislators and courts haven't addressed this loophole that allows law enforcement agencies to buy data that they can't legally collect. This essentially nullifies the fourth amendment.

For emails in the cloud, and probably other data, they don't need a warrant if it's 6 months or older anyways. So they probably can force them to give it out for free. But either way they have a black budget so we are fucked in many ways. https://emailserverprovider.com/emails-texts-documents-older...

It's no longer that black and white since US v. Carpenter. It needs someone to try it again. In that case SCOTUS did cite Warshak[1], which while not binding over the whole nation, is persuasive and clearly the older 2018 SCOTUS showed their potential interest in ending the Third Party Doctrine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_doctrine

[1] https://www.huntonprivacyblog.com/2010/12/17/court-finds-fou...

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