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LexisNexis is selling personal data to ICE so it can try to predict crimes

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Re: LexisNexis is selling personal data to ICE so it can try to predict crimes

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Does anyone think this just applies to migrants and ICE agents? We are already moving into a minority report style future … or maybe better said we are racing towards it now.

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/fbi-google-geofence-warrant-... : A Peek Inside the FBI’s Unprecedented January 6 Geofence Dragnet

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California residents, here's the data deletion form: https://consumer.risk.lexisnexis.com/request#california

Thanks for this. Sadly, but not surprisingly, it is broken with the following error: "A system error has occurred and we are not able to process your request. Please try again later."

I got that same message (twice!), but got a confirmation email a few minutes later.

Re: LexisNexis is selling personal data to ICE so it can try to predict crimes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government hasn't searched nor seized anything. This is identical to if somebody found out your favorite color is Blue, gave that info to a newspaper reporter, and the newspaper sold the information on the street for a nickle a paper. The government bought one of the papers.

I'm not sure how you equate agencies like the FBI and CIA with newspapers. Seems like a really weak argument from here. One is a commercial venture with zero license to kill or interfere with foreign political processes.

The FBI and CIA are newspaper readers in this analogy.

Re: LexisNexis is selling personal data to ICE so it can try to predict crimes

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It's pretty crazy that our legislators and courts haven't addressed this loophole that allows law enforcement agencies to buy data that they can't legally collect. This essentially nullifies the fourth amendment.

> This essentially nullifies the fourth amendment. Courts seem to think that this information does not have an expectation of privacy since the user gave it away.

I don’t like the government being able to do this, but common sense seems to dictate that in cases where the user has freely given out their information and where a private citizen can go buy that information, the government should be able to buy it.

Re: LexisNexis is selling personal data to ICE so it can try to predict crimes

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It's pretty crazy that our legislators and courts haven't addressed this loophole that allows law enforcement agencies to buy data that they can't legally collect. This essentially nullifies the fourth amendment.

That’s the beauty of the current situation. Instead of government it’s private businesses that are building a surveillance machine of unprecedented scale. The Nazis or Stalin would have loved to have such infrastructure.

Re: LexisNexis is selling personal data to ICE so it can try to predict crimes

#56

California residents, here's the data deletion form: https://consumer.risk.lexisnexis.com/request#california

This is likely largely useless unless they have significant private sources of data. Publicly available data is exempt from deletion.

https://oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpa#heading5d

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does it have access to sealed court records? I thought the whole point of "sealed" meant that the contents of the case were off-limits to the public for any and all reasons

All they had to do was scrape public records before they were sealed or expunged. When a record is sealed or expunged, that only means the court stops publishing it or deletes their record. Anyone who retrieved it before that doesn't have to give it back and nobody's memory gets wiped.

But the court also can’t confirm the veracity of the claimed record. Anyone can say ‘there was a record of nonameiguess being charged with this crime in this court on this date but it’s since been expunged’. Okay, but you’re not that court, and the official records don’t exist so… what good does it do?

Re: LexisNexis is selling personal data to ICE so it can try to predict crimes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This essentially nullifies the fourth amendment. Courts seem to think that this information does not have an expectation of privacy since the user gave it away.

I don’t like the government being able to do this, but common sense seems to dictate that in cases where the user has freely given out their information and where a private citizen can go buy that information, the government should be able to buy it.

> in cases where the user has freely given out their information

How often have people freely given their information? I'd argue that if you have to give out information in order to live, that doesn't count as freely giving it. That's being compelled to give it.

In US society, it's literally impossible to live without giving your information to a variety of entities.

Re: LexisNexis is selling personal data to ICE so it can try to predict crimes

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California residents, here's the data deletion form: https://consumer.risk.lexisnexis.com/request#california

Is there any downsides to deleting or opting out? Eg if you opt out of credit agencies then you have trouble getting credit cards and loans.

I don't think that it's meaningfully possible to opt out or delete, so this is a purely academic question.

Re: LexisNexis is selling personal data to ICE so it can try to predict crimes

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It's pretty crazy that our legislators and courts haven't addressed this loophole that allows law enforcement agencies to buy data that they can't legally collect. This essentially nullifies the fourth amendment.

How tempting would it be to use blackmail to influence a democratic election. Given this national security blackmail apparatus exists how can we be sure this insidious rootkit hasn’t already been deployed? Epstein was able to have bill gates in his back pocket due to knowing about his affair. Imagine having access to that kind of leverage on every reporter journalist activist politician etc. I can’t be sure the integ…

> "I can’t be sure the integrity of our democracy is even still intact"

It isn't. Our politicians are pretty much corporate puppets, fully "owned and operated" by our corporate overlords.

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