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Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

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Re: Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

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Post by Turing_Machine »

iancmceachern wrote: post #129
happytoexplain wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate how everything journalists do has to be framed so negatively. "Forcing"? "Keeping the audience engaged" (from the replies)? They were just reporting how much air is left, in the case that they were alive - not insisting that they definitely are alive. It's an obvious thing to want to know, and an obvious thing to report. I'm sure some outlets ham it up, yeah of course. But anybody would report that information…

I agree. They're just people, doing their job. Their job is to write articles that people click on. We choose what we click on. If you want to see better journalism click on better things collectively. They're a cog in the machine, not the driver of the machine

> They're just people, doing their job.

So were the guards at Bergen-Belsen and Auschwitz.

If your job is being a ghoul, that doesn't constitute an excuse for being a ghoul.

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Post by rsynnott »

peepeepoopoo11 wrote: post #80
autoexec wrote: post #74

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Yes, who cares if someone killed a child and several other adults by repeatedly ignoring warnings of clear dangers! Why shouldn't people be allowed to experiment with negligence at the cost of human life?

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Look, if he'd gone himself, well, oh, well, there are easier ways to go, but that's largely his business.

He didn't, though, did he?

Re: Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

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Post by rsynnott »

antisthenes wrote: post #11

No idea why every single journalist kept forcing the "air remaining" theme. It was far more likely that the sub suffered a catastrophic implosion at the time contact was lost. Glad to see it confirmed, and finally people stop posting the nonsense about air. Shame about the passengers though.

While this was alway probably the most _likely_ outcome, "shoddy submarine breaks down/gets trapped without actually imploding" was certainly always _possible_. This thing had a lot of potential failure modes.

Re: Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

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Post by anthk »

Our_Benefactors wrote: post #123
anthk wrote: post #97

You save up on money ignoring safety, next you fire the guy who could had saved your life, and finally you suffer disasters ending your life. https://www.forbes.com/sites/katherinehamilton/2023/06/21/oc... Money addicts, take notes. This is what happens when you put money cartels before real life physics.

This is what I try to impress on anyone who thinks “saving money” on tires is a frugal way of living.

One thing it's being frugal for your personal needs and another one it's firing people because of marketing/fear to shareholders. Specially when the odds of dying are over 90%.

Re: Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

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Post by BillWyeRex »

EA-3167 wrote: post #16
yabones wrote: post #3

What can we learn from this? Don't go in pressure vessels; don't go in confined spaces.

What can we learn? Just because the CEO is on the firing line with you, doesn't make him right, just overly confident. DO hire "50 year old" people with experience, not just kids from university. Don't build your pressure vessel out of materials which are hard to monitor for wear and fatigue. Listen to your experienced employees when they tell you that you've built a death-trap. If you have $250,000 to spend on a sho…

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Re: Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

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Post by Vecr »

antisthenes wrote: post #11

No idea why every single journalist kept forcing the "air remaining" theme. It was far more likely that the sub suffered a catastrophic implosion at the time contact was lost. Glad to see it confirmed, and finally people stop posting the nonsense about air. Shame about the passengers though.

You have to look at the subset of the probability space where anyone is alive and base the rescue attempt off that. There's no reason to do a body recovery in this case, it's not like when a dead SCUBA instructor is blocking up a underwater cave and you want to use the cave again, or if it's easy to get the dead body out. It's not, it's really hard and dangerous. In the Thai cave, it was thought that the probability that at least one or two of the children were still alive was high enough to risk a couple of old divers having a look. In my opinion the Thai SEALs (as well as dumb ideas like sending people in to string up lights and pump water) should not have taken the risks they did, the more people you put in the cave the more likely something will go wrong for one of them. So, after ruling out body recovery, the only plans you have to make include the submersible being intact, hence needing to know how much air was left.

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Post by cafard »

legitster wrote: post #86
joegahona wrote: post #17

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Just thinking about that outcome yesterday caused my blood pressure to skyrocket. Dark, cold, cramped, fetid, hungry, thirsty, knowing oxygen is running out.

These kind of long, agonizing, pointless deaths are all too common when dealing with the ocean. There was a horrifying case after Pearl Harbor where bodies were found in the airpocket of the USS West Virginia. They had flashlights with batteries and fresh water and had marked off 16 days on a calendar. Legend has it that sailors could hear banging for weeks knowing they could not cut through the thick battleship armo…

A sometime co-worker's father was on a salvage crew at Pearl Harbor, and apparently heard the banging.

Re: Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

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Post by Vecr »

BillWyeRex wrote: post #146
EA-3167 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What can we learn? Just because the CEO is on the firing line with you, doesn't make him right, just overly confident. DO hire "50 year old" people with experience, not just kids from university. Don't build your pressure vessel out of materials which are hard to monitor for wear and fatigue. Listen to your experienced employees when they tell you that you've built a death-trap. If you have $250,000 to spend on a sho…

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People on various websites looked at the people who made and worked on the submersible, I say at least 70% were white or white-ish, probably more for the designers, potentially approaching 100%. There were young men and women though, that's probably the problem.
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