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Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by sidewndr46 »

asynchronous wrote: post #235
codetrotter wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the average person here is probably a lot closer to taking a holiday trip in a submersible than to taking a refugee boat across the Mediterranean There is no way in hell I would pay $250k to board a janky-ass sub going deep into the ocean. For $250k, I could buy a nice house for me, my girlfriend and our future family. And even that is not possible yet. Because I don’t have that kind of money.

Reminder too that literally everyone is one country-ending catastrophic event away from being on a refugee boat

The difference is when Libya collapses into civil war (or 3 governments or whatever) Libyan refugees migrate to other countries that are stable.

When China, Western Europe, or the US collapses into civil war refugees from those countries do indeed migrate. The problem is other countries start collapsing as well because they were dependent on some form of trade with those regions. As a result its unlikely there will ever be a large scale exodus of people from the US. We'll all just be survivors in the wasteland at that point.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by stef25 »

jacquesm wrote: post #391
j-a-a-p wrote: post #279

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Also the coastguards were tripping over each other to save these 5 men, while for the refugees the speculation is if the coastguard contributed to the wrecking.

Whose speculation?

The Greek coast guard gave conflicting statements about having tied a rope to the boat to try and tow it to the shore. First they did, then they didn't.

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Post by parkersweb »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #282
asynchronous wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminder too that literally everyone is one country-ending catastrophic event away from being on a refugee boat

What kind of single events could destroy most countries without taking out half the world or all of the world?

Just listening to ‘Fukushima’ on BBC World Service podcasts and ‘major nuclear incident’ is definitely one that springs to mind.

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Post by AlecSchueler »

boring_twenties wrote: post #257
asynchronous wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminder too that literally everyone is one country-ending catastrophic event away from being on a refugee boat

Only those near a coast, actually

Many people are walking for months to reach the coast to escape on these refugee boats.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by finitemonkey »

stef25 wrote: post #379
lm28469 wrote: post #274

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> And of course the average person here is probably a lot closer to taking a holiday trip in a submersible than to taking a refugee boat across the Mediterranean. My opinion is the complete opposite, I think it has more coverage because it's a feel good event for 90% of the world who absolutely despise rich fucks in that specific part of the dumb X rich venn diagram I haven't seen a single post about how sad the sub…

It's not so much stupidity as knowingly embarking on a dangerous adventure for the purpose of fun, basically. Someone who took the trip before said they had to sign a waver which mentioned death multiple times. It's like climbing Everest, walking to the north pole, commercial space flights, base jumping etc. The med disaster was people embarking on a dangerous "adventure" out of what they perceived as being a necessi…

> It's like climbing Everest,

They died close to the shipwreck. Maybe the Titanic site will slowly fill up with corpses, just like Everest is doing.

> Of course all lives should be regarded as being equal.

Lives sure. But not deaths. Bringing yourself in a confirmed dangerous situation just for the thrill of it, even being so desperate for it as to pay what post people would dream of earning over multiple years, and then dying during this adventure ... in contrast to desperate refugees trying to escape into a better life and then dying because traffickers don't care about their survival.. Idk man, doesn't sound equal to me.

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Post by philistine »

stef25 wrote: post #370
Certhas wrote: post #187

It is notable how much news-coverage this received (for understandable reasons [1]) relative to the almost simultaneous disaster in the Mediterranean [2], where a shipwreck killed hundreds of people. [1] What springs to mind: Dramatic search action well suited for live blog coverage; psychological impact of the idea of people stranded in a submarine for days; And of course the average person here is probably a lot cl…

First time I read the comparison with the Med disaster and couldn't agree more. I'm never the first one to start whining about refugee related disasters but hundreds of women & children drowning on a boat after having been in a miserable state for days on end is just the worst. Other boats had been circling it for days and apart from providing some food & water nothing was done. Maybe an attempt to tow it, which coul…

No one anywhere has mentioned that but it’s true. The amount of people meant any sort of rescue might have been doomed to failure.

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Post by hawk_ »

krisoft wrote: post #389
hawk_ wrote: post #206

I am curious how we (the society) justify the shared costs incurred in searching for people involved in such a reckless mission.

> how we (the society) justify the shared costs incurred in searching for people involved in such a reckless mission Nobody asked me if I want to pay for it or not. So i don’t feel that the “we” is justified. But if they would have asked me i would have voted to not move a finger unless some private entity (the company or the families, or literally anyone who wants to) pays for it. They went out of their way to do so…

Yes well you're paying through your taxes at least (assuming you are a tax resident in the jurisdictions involved)

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Post by cracrecry »

hawk_ wrote: post #206

I am curious how we (the society) justify the shared costs incurred in searching for people involved in such a reckless mission.

Well, the army needs training in order to become operative.

If training is not real, they create it. They spend billions every year simulating events.

But anyway, I expect them passing at least part of the bill to the company, that will go bankrupt.

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Post by [deleted] »

dpedu wrote: post #351
dmonitor wrote: post #337

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would they be vaporized or instantly compacted? my morbid curiosity kind of wants to see what would happen to a body under such insane pressure conditions.

You're in luck, the Mythbusters tried this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEY3fN4N3D8

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Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by rozal »

deanc wrote: post #305
lamontcg wrote: post #58

Well that's better than slowly asphyxiating or dying of hypothermia, probably didn't even know what hit them.

Can someone walk me through what would have happened, physically, to a human body in the moment this happened. I’m curious. Similar to wondering what happens to people in space.

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