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Intelligent people take longer to solve hard problems: study

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Re: Intelligent people take longer to solve hard problems: study

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I strongly suspect this effect is correlated with a weakness in short-term or working memory. Independent of general intelligence is the necessity for those with a weak short-term or working memory to compensate by relying on long-term, in depth understanding in order to JIT the necessary short-term structures into being on the spot, (often repeatedly as these images decay rapidly) in order to solve a problem. Wherea…

Agree with this; also, it feels like you are reading out the same theories I have somewhere in my brain and that's a weird sensation. A related theory: being good at math, especially mental math, correlates with aphantasia (not being able to see pictures in your head). People who can see images in their head learn to do arithmetic early on with visual algorithms, which are fundamentally not good for understanding as…

> A related theory: being good at math, especially mental math, correlates with aphantasia (not being able to see pictures in your head)

This is the kind of condition I wonder if I have. Because on one hand, if I do a visualization exercise I would describe it as foggy at best. Then again, I struggle to understand how our brains could be wired that differently from person to person, that we could have or lack certain mental senses. I would suggest that everyone has some latent capability, whether they recognize it or not. After all the visual cortex is quite important.

In the context of your example, those good at mental math might see a chalkboard like image of the problem with all the detail. Those who struggle might be distracted visualizing the items that are being counted themselves, and all their detail.

For another riddle, consider the question of whether one recognizes their thoughts as an internal monologue or not, and how that relates to communication and action.

Re: Intelligent people take longer to solve hard problems: study

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A while back, I created an online experiment, based on a 2020 study, that identifies dogmatic thinking. https://shaungallagher.pressbin.com/blog/dogmatism.html Without giving too much away, this tracks with the 2023 study's results, in that people with higher intelligence scores are less likely to trust their System 1 gut reaction and more likely to involve their System 2 deliberate, logical processes.

This link would better serve you and the community as a top-level post. I guess you did share it 2 years ago, though it looks like commenting is now closed. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26620690

Share it again! The iron is hot!

I find the initial paragraphs of analysis rather insistent, one might say dogmatic, in their praise of non-dogmatism. Some later paragraphs express my immediate response: perhaps this dogmatism varies based on your relationship to your current information environment.

I'll suggest that consideration of these numbers might be better supported by tables to show participant and average numbers, and invite comparisons.

Re: Intelligent people take longer to solve hard problems: study

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Extremely misleading title, in my opinion. Let me quote the actual research at https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-38626-y : "subjects with higher PMAT24_A_CR (fluid intelligence) made fewer mistakes, but were slower" Yes, intelligent people took longer to solve hard problems. But they made fewer mistakes. Getting things right on the 1st try might be much faster than needing a 2nd attempt, even if the 1st try…

Social science is ridiculous. What a non-result.

Re: Intelligent people take longer to solve hard problems: study

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I strongly suspect this effect is correlated with a weakness in short-term or working memory. Independent of general intelligence is the necessity for those with a weak short-term or working memory to compensate by relying on long-term, in depth understanding in order to JIT the necessary short-term structures into being on the spot, (often repeatedly as these images decay rapidly) in order to solve a problem. Wherea…

I've always felt like I have awful short term memory. I use tiling WMs so I can see information side-by-side. If I need to type something exactly, I forget the exact details almost immediately. I need to derive things to understand them, ie music theory. I'm jealous of people who can memorize and take at face value but if I'm looking at a chord, I need to know the components that create that chord, which gets frustra…

Source: Principal Software Engineer, 25+ YOE.

You are far smarter than you think.

Learn to get into flow, and also figure out how to get your state back faster... Once you do, it is a super power.

Simple things like leaving your editor/IDE open, create the same situation you left. I personally use music + IEMs to help me block sound and focus. -30-35 DB off the IEMs, and +70DB off my music... yeah, I don't hear anything.

I learned the editor trick recently, though I'd probably done it un-intentionally for years. I stopped, and I was wondering what the inertia I was facing was. It is only 2-3m to get setup... that's 2-3m to lose my thoughts, etc.

Good luck.

Re: Intelligent people take longer to solve hard problems: study

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I strongly suspect this effect is correlated with a weakness in short-term or working memory. Independent of general intelligence is the necessity for those with a weak short-term or working memory to compensate by relying on long-term, in depth understanding in order to JIT the necessary short-term structures into being on the spot, (often repeatedly as these images decay rapidly) in order to solve a problem. Wherea…

I've always felt like I have awful short term memory. I use tiling WMs so I can see information side-by-side. If I need to type something exactly, I forget the exact details almost immediately. I need to derive things to understand them, ie music theory. I'm jealous of people who can memorize and take at face value but if I'm looking at a chord, I need to know the components that create that chord, which gets frustra…

I have ADHD and I relate a lot. Do you as well?

Re: Intelligent people take longer to solve hard problems: study

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always felt like I have awful short term memory. I use tiling WMs so I can see information side-by-side. If I need to type something exactly, I forget the exact details almost immediately. I need to derive things to understand them, ie music theory. I'm jealous of people who can memorize and take at face value but if I'm looking at a chord, I need to know the components that create that chord, which gets frustra…

I have ADHD and I relate a lot. Do you as well?

Not OP but identify strongly and yes.

Re: Intelligent people take longer to solve hard problems: study

#98

Extremely misleading title, in my opinion. Let me quote the actual research at https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-38626-y : "subjects with higher PMAT24_A_CR (fluid intelligence) made fewer mistakes, but were slower" Yes, intelligent people took longer to solve hard problems. But they made fewer mistakes. Getting things right on the 1st try might be much faster than needing a 2nd attempt, even if the 1st try…

Right they take longer but they actually solve the problem correctly. And if you don't solve it correctly you are not really solving it at all. The title could have been "Intelligent people take time to make sure their answer is more likely to be correct than not"

> if you don't solve it correctly you are not really solving it at all.

Try telling that to the time-tracking gestapo. As Dilbert says: "our boss can't judge the quality of our work, but he knows when it's late".

Re: Intelligent people take longer to solve hard problems: study

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The title of the article should be "People with higher intelligence scores take longer to solve complex problems". Let's say that I define being very intelligent as being able to rapidly solve hard problems. I think this is a reasonable definition of the word "intelligent". Indeed, I think that it is in many ways a more meaningful definition of "intelligence" than defining it as scoring well on intelligence tests. We…

Yeah, the title (and the article) doesn't say "than what". If intelligent people take longer to solve complex problems than stupid people, then stupid people are smart and smart people are stupid. But the article doesn't really explain that either.

Re: Intelligent people take longer to solve hard problems: study

#100
post #74

I strongly suspect this effect is correlated with a weakness in short-term or working memory. Independent of general intelligence is the necessity for those with a weak short-term or working memory to compensate by relying on long-term, in depth understanding in order to JIT the necessary short-term structures into being on the spot, (often repeatedly as these images decay rapidly) in order to solve a problem. Wherea…

Agree with this; also, it feels like you are reading out the same theories I have somewhere in my brain and that's a weird sensation. A related theory: being good at math, especially mental math, correlates with aphantasia (not being able to see pictures in your head). People who can see images in their head learn to do arithmetic early on with visual algorithms, which are fundamentally not good for understanding as…

> being good at math, especially mental math, correlates with aphantasia

as someone who used to do math competitions as a kid, everyone I knew who was "good" at mental math had a good number sense, a big bag of tricks for doing different things with numbers, and practiced with their bag of tricks.

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