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Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by croes »

Certhas wrote: post #187

It is notable how much news-coverage this received (for understandable reasons [1]) relative to the almost simultaneous disaster in the Mediterranean [2], where a shipwreck killed hundreds of people. [1] What springs to mind: Dramatic search action well suited for live blog coverage; psychological impact of the idea of people stranded in a submarine for days; And of course the average person here is probably a lot cl…

The war in Ukraine showed the average person is more likely to become a refugee than paying a quarter million dollars for a trip to the Titanic.

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Post by predictabl3 »

ajmurmann wrote: post #311
carbine wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No amount of poor decision making changes the fact that several precious human lives were lost. Frustration over the company's potential negligence and sadness over the loss of life can coexist.

Thank you for calling this out. It's also disheartening and quite frankly scary, to see how the passengers get dehumanized on other online platforms due to their wealth.

Sure, or maybe, just maybe it's because of the brazen hubris enabled by their wealthy and not the wealth itself.

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Post by yoyohello13 »

nyolfen wrote: post #233
dheera wrote: post #196

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It's also probably related to the "launch or die" ecosystem that Y Combinator, Sand Hill investors, and pretty much the entire ecosystem promotes. When was the last time an investor handed an additional $10 million check for 0% to a startup to improve and test their safety systems before launching? Instead their usual mandate is "launch yesterday or die". Which is okay for a SaaS platform or grocery delivery app, but…

true, i've never heard of issues with the engineering of a submarine produced under socialism

'Not capitalism' is not the same as 'socialism'

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Post by inferiorhuman »

carbine wrote: post #263
asynchronous wrote: post #205

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Not gonna shed a tear given how avoidable this entire tragedy was, and how terribly managed and selected his engineering team was.

No amount of poor decision making changes the fact that several precious human lives were lost. Frustration over the company's potential negligence and sadness over the loss of life can coexist.

Potential negligence? Dude fired the guy who was trying to get the hull checked for voids before doing crew testing. Then they sued him and proceeded to run this thing with passengers without bothering to do non-destructive testing. Sounds more Stockton Rush went well beyond negligence and straight to malfeasance to me.

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Post by slashdev »

Certhas wrote: post #187

It is notable how much news-coverage this received (for understandable reasons [1]) relative to the almost simultaneous disaster in the Mediterranean [2], where a shipwreck killed hundreds of people. [1] What springs to mind: Dramatic search action well suited for live blog coverage; psychological impact of the idea of people stranded in a submarine for days; And of course the average person here is probably a lot cl…

Refugee boats go down in the Mediterranean all the time. At this point it’s hardly news.

That’s not in any way to detract from the tragedy, just pointing out one reason why it’s barely covered.

Once something becomes common, it’s not news anymore.

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Post by jb12 »

hawk_ wrote: post #206

I am curious how we (the society) justify the shared costs incurred in searching for people involved in such a reckless mission.

What's your definition of reckless? Were the boys stuck in the cave in Thailand reckless? Should we not have rescued them? Where is the line of who is deserving of our sympathy?

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Post by hef19898 »

jamiek88 wrote: post #167
WillPostForFood wrote: post #5

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It unexpectedly lost communications about 2 hours into its decent. That is a possible/probable point in time where something went wrong.

It’s also the point where they pass the depth that the porthole was rated for. They got lucky with that until they didn’t. They even fired a guy for whistle blowing about the porthole.

Are you telling me, that the porthole of a DSV, intended to dive to the Titanic, was EDIT: not: rated for the depth the Titanic is at? This whole operation is getting sketchier by the minute...

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Post by seabird »

seattle_anon wrote: post #166

Stockton Rush (OceanGate's CEO) was known in the Seattle tech community [0] My understanding (very much not first hand) is that he was seen as an expert in the specific engineering disciplines necessary to safely build and operate deep sea submersibles like Titan. He was also apparently a father to members of the Seattle tech community, who are no doubt grieving at the moment. Please remember that, for some members o…

It's sad that they're dead, but all parties had time to brace for this inevitability. I can't imagine any engineer (save a software engineer) seeing this guy's attitude and not seeing this coming from a mile away.

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Post by WitCanStain »

RektBoy wrote: post #306
Certhas wrote: post #187

It is notable how much news-coverage this received (for understandable reasons [1]) relative to the almost simultaneous disaster in the Mediterranean [2], where a shipwreck killed hundreds of people. [1] What springs to mind: Dramatic search action well suited for live blog coverage; psychological impact of the idea of people stranded in a submarine for days; And of course the average person here is probably a lot cl…

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Sometimes I wonder what it is that enables some people to have empathy for strangers but others not. Is it mostly your upbringing? Genetics? Can people like you be fixed, or are you incorrigible?

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Post by throw9away6 »

Hamuko wrote: post #231
mcguire wrote: post #209

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He's also on record as saying things like, " It's obscenely safe because they have all these regulations. But it also hasn't innovated or grown — because they have all these regulations. " ( https://www.insider.com/titan-submarine-ceo-complained-about... )

He seemed especially proud about combining titanium and carbon fibre against the advice of others, which seems to now have been in a pretty active role in the demise of the Titan. > "I'd like to be remembered as an innovator. I think it was General MacArthur who said "you're remembered for the rules you break." And I've broken some rules to make this. I think I've broken them with logic and good engineering behind me…

Titanium and carbon are meant for each other. Nothing innovative there unless we’re taking about the 1950s
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