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Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by Hamuko »

AH4oFVbPT4f8 wrote: post #260
asynchronous wrote: post #205

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Not gonna shed a tear given how avoidable this entire tragedy was, and how terribly managed and selected his engineering team was.

I hope the other souls onboard fully understood the risk of death, otherwise that isn't fair to them. To relate it to flying in an airplane, “If you take one flight a day, you would on average need to fly every day for 55,000 years before being involved in a fatal crash.” I'll take those odds. Take a deep dive in an experimental vessel with public safety concerns expressed over years, nope I'm out.

They all had to sign multi-page waivers that mention "death" no less than three times on the first page.

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Post by jandrese »

Hamuko wrote: post #272
mrabcx wrote: post #26

Probably better to go away in an instant rather than sitting and waiting for the inevitable to happen.

In an instant unless OceanGate's patented monitoring system actually worked. If it did work, they would've had at least a couple of seconds to panic. > Rush planned to pilot the sub himself, which critics said was an unnecessary risk: Under pressure, the experimental carbon fiber hull might, in the jargon of the sub world, “collapse catastrophically.” So OceanGate developed a new acoustic monitoring system, which can…

I'm guessing these guys didn't even have a black box on this thing so we can't hear the last second of audio in the thing being a the CEO saying "Ohshi--" because his "you are about to die" alarm has gone off.

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

carbine wrote: post #263
asynchronous wrote: post #205

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Not gonna shed a tear given how avoidable this entire tragedy was, and how terribly managed and selected his engineering team was.

No amount of poor decision making changes the fact that several precious human lives were lost. Frustration over the company's potential negligence and sadness over the loss of life can coexist.

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Post by hef19898 »

danso wrote: post #25
tomjakubowski wrote: post #22

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> The company said that the sub has multiple forms of ballast, including systems that could be activated manually, and ties that were designed to dissolve after 20+ hours in seawater, allowing the sub to rise even if the crew were unconscious. is there more information on these dissolvable ties? or their redundant ballast systems?

From David Pogue's report on his trip in 2022: https://unsungscience.com/news/back-to-titanic-part-1/ Excerpt from the transcript: But what if the hydraulic system breaks? Well, then they have roll weights. KYLE: Ah, so, we’ve got these weights here on the side, these are roll weights, we can actually roll the sub and those come off, and that gains us some buoyancy to come back to the surface. These are pipes that si…

Great, in theory. All the operator has to do now is to show the test reports for all of that. Should be easy, right? After all, those functions can be tested in comparatively safe depths, while being tethered to a surface ship.

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Post by deanc »

lamontcg wrote: post #58

Well that's better than slowly asphyxiating or dying of hypothermia, probably didn't even know what hit them.

Can someone walk me through what would have happened, physically, to a human body in the moment this happened. I’m curious. Similar to wondering what happens to people in space.

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Post by RektBoy »

Certhas wrote: post #187

It is notable how much news-coverage this received (for understandable reasons [1]) relative to the almost simultaneous disaster in the Mediterranean [2], where a shipwreck killed hundreds of people. [1] What springs to mind: Dramatic search action well suited for live blog coverage; psychological impact of the idea of people stranded in a submarine for days; And of course the average person here is probably a lot cl…

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Post by mock-possum »

hawk_ wrote: post #206

I am curious how we (the society) justify the shared costs incurred in searching for people involved in such a reckless mission.

Easy - if it was us down there, or someone we cared about, we’d want the search to happen

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Post by belorn »

Certhas wrote: post #187

It is notable how much news-coverage this received (for understandable reasons [1]) relative to the almost simultaneous disaster in the Mediterranean [2], where a shipwreck killed hundreds of people. [1] What springs to mind: Dramatic search action well suited for live blog coverage; psychological impact of the idea of people stranded in a submarine for days; And of course the average person here is probably a lot cl…

I would not read too much into it. Media coverage in this context is mostly about how sensentional and novel the news is. People get lost at sea all the time, in particularly in fishing and shipping industry. The average person is very similar to those people and yet such events dont generally create international news.

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Post by [deleted] »

Hamuko wrote: post #231
mcguire wrote: post #209

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He's also on record as saying things like, " It's obscenely safe because they have all these regulations. But it also hasn't innovated or grown — because they have all these regulations. " ( https://www.insider.com/titan-submarine-ceo-complained-about... )

He seemed especially proud about combining titanium and carbon fibre against the advice of others, which seems to now have been in a pretty active role in the demise of the Titan. > "I'd like to be remembered as an innovator. I think it was General MacArthur who said "you're remembered for the rules you break." And I've broken some rules to make this. I think I've broken them with logic and good engineering behind me…

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Post by ithkuil »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #282
asynchronous wrote: post #235

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Reminder too that literally everyone is one country-ending catastrophic event away from being on a refugee boat

What kind of single events could destroy most countries without taking out half the world or all of the world?

Not all countries at the same time. But one country at random which would affect that random person. The rest of the world would watch and think that it never could have happened to them, just as that random person may have thought not long before.
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