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Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

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Re: Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

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Post by uppiiii765 »

2-718-281-828 wrote: post #81
Buttons840 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In that scenario, as long as they could keep CO2 levels down, running out of oxygen isn't so bad (ignoring the other troubles). The human body can't detect a lack of oxygen, you just get tired and light headed and pass out.

i understand what you are basing your statement on (a cleaner version would be asphyxiation by breathing an inert gas) but you are very wrong. as a matter of fact people with an impaired amygdala who can't experience fear will panic when forced to breathe co2. also your breathing will get very shallow and cause co2 to accumulate triggering those very receptors you argue will stay silent. https://www.nature.com/articl…

But kids and people die regularly due to having a barbeque thing lit in a close space and the coals consume the oxygen and make CO2.

Wouldn't that wake them up?

I also assumed that too much CO2 fast is the key not the super slow version of what those people in the sub have experienced

Re: Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

#102

Post by beezlewax »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #42
giarc wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Somewhere a redditor did the math and I believe it would have taken 24ms for the glass to break and the water to rush in. Instant death if it was indeed the glass.

Just how instant is that death? Do you die from quickly drowning in the water or is the water pressure enough to also crush your skull quick enough to make sure you die without having the chance to feel anything? Guillotined people can still be alive and feel about 30 second safter their head has been removed from their body.

Who told you that about the guillotine? They'd have zero blood pressure, how do you imagine they'd be conscious?

Re: Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

#103

Post by sp332 »

peepeepoopoo11 wrote: post #80
autoexec wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, who cares if someone killed a child and several other adults by repeatedly ignoring warnings of clear dangers! Why shouldn't people be allowed to experiment with negligence at the cost of human life?

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The comment you're replying to only mentions other people dying, not the billionaire. Second, the search and rescue effort involved a lot of government people and equipment, and the company complained that they weren't doing enough.

Re: Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

#104

Post by mattbrewsbytes »

EA-3167 wrote: post #16
yabones wrote: post #3

What can we learn from this? Don't go in pressure vessels; don't go in confined spaces.

What can we learn? Just because the CEO is on the firing line with you, doesn't make him right, just overly confident. DO hire "50 year old" people with experience, not just kids from university. Don't build your pressure vessel out of materials which are hard to monitor for wear and fatigue. Listen to your experienced employees when they tell you that you've built a death-trap. If you have $250,000 to spend on a sho…

> The media will always stretch out the agony of these stories for as long as it generates clicks

Off topic random thought: the increase in mass shootings and their normalization in the US media means those stories don't get as many clicks as they used to.

Re: Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

#105

Post by [deleted] »

logicalmonster wrote: post #72
just_steve_h wrote: post #25

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> The late CEO of OceanGate told David Pogue last fall, “at some point, safety is just pure waste.” In and of itself, what is actually incorrect about that statement? I think a lot of normal people are going to smugly harp on that statement, but in and of itself it seems perfectly reasonable to believe that there's a diminishing return to safety measures for anything at some point. The issue with this sub thing seems…

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Re: Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

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Post by elromulous »

logicalmonster wrote: post #72
just_steve_h wrote: post #25

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> The late CEO of OceanGate told David Pogue last fall, “at some point, safety is just pure waste.” In and of itself, what is actually incorrect about that statement? I think a lot of normal people are going to smugly harp on that statement, but in and of itself it seems perfectly reasonable to believe that there's a diminishing return to safety measures for anything at some point. The issue with this sub thing seems…

It's waste the same way insurance* is waste. The difference between something certified and something not is exactly this instance, when the uncertified thing fails unexpectedly. The rest of the time, the difference is a "waste". Insurance is a waste until the accident happens and you get value from insurance.

*the general concept insurance, not the disaster that is US health insurance.

Re: Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

#107

Post by MikeDelta »

antisthenes wrote: post #11

No idea why every single journalist kept forcing the "air remaining" theme. It was far more likely that the sub suffered a catastrophic implosion at the time contact was lost. Glad to see it confirmed, and finally people stop posting the nonsense about air. Shame about the passengers though.

Hope, a very human thing to have.

In that same style you could also wonder why anyone would bother sending help at all, given that they very likely had perished. We hope until we are proven wrong, and the times we are right makes all the effort worth.

Re: Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

#108

Post by slau »

2-718-281-828 wrote: post #81
Buttons840 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In that scenario, as long as they could keep CO2 levels down, running out of oxygen isn't so bad (ignoring the other troubles). The human body can't detect a lack of oxygen, you just get tired and light headed and pass out.

i understand what you are basing your statement on (a cleaner version would be asphyxiation by breathing an inert gas) but you are very wrong. as a matter of fact people with an impaired amygdala who can't experience fear will panic when forced to breathe co2. also your breathing will get very shallow and cause co2 to accumulate triggering those very receptors you argue will stay silent. https://www.nature.com/articl…

You are arguing for the exact same thing as the person you’re replying to—while attempting to disagree with them. They said that provided you can keep CO2 levels down, lack of oxygen will cause drowsiness and cause you to pass out. This is true.

You then argued that breathing increased levels of CO2 will trigger survival instincts. This is also true, and exactly what grandparent said.

Re: Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

#109

Post by elromulous »

beezlewax wrote: post #102
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just how instant is that death? Do you die from quickly drowning in the water or is the water pressure enough to also crush your skull quick enough to make sure you die without having the chance to feel anything? Guillotined people can still be alive and feel about 30 second safter their head has been removed from their body.

Who told you that about the guillotine? They'd have zero blood pressure, how do you imagine they'd be conscious?

Iirc they did tests where people agreed to blink a certain number of times etc.

Re: Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

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Post by Wojtkie »

uppiiii765 wrote: post #101
2-718-281-828 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i understand what you are basing your statement on (a cleaner version would be asphyxiation by breathing an inert gas) but you are very wrong. as a matter of fact people with an impaired amygdala who can't experience fear will panic when forced to breathe co2. also your breathing will get very shallow and cause co2 to accumulate triggering those very receptors you argue will stay silent. https://www.nature.com/articl…

But kids and people die regularly due to having a barbeque thing lit in a close space and the coals consume the oxygen and make CO2. Wouldn't that wake them up? I also assumed that too much CO2 fast is the key not the super slow version of what those people in the sub have experienced

You're confusing CO2 (carbon dioxide) with CO (carbon monoxide). CO doesn't cause the same physiological fear response that CO2 does.
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