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Re: Oceangate Statement, “We now believe that [all crew] have sadly been lost.”

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Post by [deleted] »

andrewmunsell wrote: post #19
tedivm wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone on reddit did out the math- they were crushed before they had any idea what happened.

There's obvious differences between the Oceangate sub and this (1 atm difference, this is a thinner steel(?) railroad tanker not a sub), but I think it effectively demonstrates how violent and quick an implosion would be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz95_VvTxZM Video contents: An experiment where the vacuum safety valves were removed from an oil tanker railroad car, and a vacuum was placed inside the car, resulti…

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Re: Oceangate Statement, “We now believe that [all crew] have sadly been lost.”

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Post by Dave_TRS »

andrewmunsell wrote: post #19
tedivm wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone on reddit did out the math- they were crushed before they had any idea what happened.

There's obvious differences between the Oceangate sub and this (1 atm difference, this is a thinner steel(?) railroad tanker not a sub), but I think it effectively demonstrates how violent and quick an implosion would be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz95_VvTxZM Video contents: An experiment where the vacuum safety valves were removed from an oil tanker railroad car, and a vacuum was placed inside the car, resulti…

Interesting a commenter on the video notes the pressure there is equivalent to only 10 meters underwater. Imagine the force 2 miles below

Re: Oceangate Statement, “We now believe that [all crew] have sadly been lost.”

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Post by Denvercoder9 »

Natsu wrote: post #9

Well, this explains a lot... they didn't have a window rated for the right depth and weren't really testing whether the hull was de-laminating according to the whistleblower, so we have a few guesses as to why the sub would just implode. The lack of contact would be because nobody was alive to contact, which is honestly better, at least they had a quick death instead of slow suffocation. And the banging noises are pr…

> And the banging noises are probably either the sub imploding or from debris falling to the ocean floor.

Or something else entirely. There's a surprising amount of unexplained noise picked up from the ocean.

Re: Oceangate Statement, “We now believe that [all crew] have sadly been lost.”

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Post by routerl »

andrewmunsell wrote: post #19
tedivm wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone on reddit did out the math- they were crushed before they had any idea what happened.

There's obvious differences between the Oceangate sub and this (1 atm difference, this is a thinner steel(?) railroad tanker not a sub), but I think it effectively demonstrates how violent and quick an implosion would be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz95_VvTxZM Video contents: An experiment where the vacuum safety valves were removed from an oil tanker railroad car, and a vacuum was placed inside the car, resulti…

The sub wasn't steel, it was a carbon fibre weave. The tiniest crack would have caused catastrophic shattering of the hull.

For every ten meters of descent, pressure increases by 1 atmosphere. At 4000 meters, that's 400 atm, or ~40 Mega Pascals, which is significantly higher than the pressure caused by the bomb that leveled a building in Oklahoma.

The hull shattered catastrophically, and the pressure wave liquified the occupants instantly. It's horrifying, but at least it was painless.

Re: Oceangate Statement, “We now believe that [all crew] have sadly been lost.”

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Post by ant6n »

seanalltogether wrote: post #14
paulddraper wrote: post #4

"The Titan began its descent Sunday to explore the wreckage of the Titanic, located about 13,000 feet below sea level in the North Atlantic Ocean, with an estimated 96 hours of life support. The expedition was billed as “a chance to step outside of everyday life and discover something truly extraordinary” and cost each participant $250,000, an archived version of OceanGate’s website shows. "However, the cramped vesse…

From that same article, I guess he got the recognition he always wanted. Rush, the CEO of OceanGate Expeditions, told a Mexican travel blogger in 2021 he wanted to be known as an innovator who broke the rules. “I think it was (US Army) Gen. (Douglas) MacArthur who said, ‘You’re remembered for the rules you break,’” Rush told Alan Estrada, who documented his trip to the Titanic, including an aborted attempt in July 20…

Wasnt MacArthur the one who wanted to start a nuclear war with China during the Korean war and got sacked by Truman or Eisenhower?

Re: Oceangate Statement, “We now believe that [all crew] have sadly been lost.”

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Post by alangibson »

TheCaptain4815 wrote: post #13

If the sub imploded shortly after reaching the titanic, how exactly did the people on board die? Was it an instant pressurized death? Do they drown or something?

Pressure at that depth is about 5800 psi. Imagine 3 ton, 1 cubic inch cubes being dropped on every square inch of your body from every side all at once and you'll have your answer.

Re: Oceangate Statement, “We now believe that [all crew] have sadly been lost.”

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Post by GoToRO »

jacquesm wrote: post #27
nickff wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did Oceangate or its founder(s) say they intended to 'move fast and break things', or are you just imputing that they held those beliefs? The company purported to "maintain[] high-level operational safety".

Yes. The founder is on record as saying that he thinks safety is wasteful or something to that effect and many other choice quotes besides. https://www.google.com/search?q=stockton+rush+quotes

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Post by ceejayoz »

saberdancer wrote: post #18
TheCaptain4815 wrote: post #13

If the sub imploded shortly after reaching the titanic, how exactly did the people on board die? Was it an instant pressurized death? Do they drown or something?

Their bodies are also pressurized at 1 atms, after being exposed to 400 atms they instantly died. My guess is that they were effectively vaporized/liquified. Much better way to go then suffocate in darkness.

It's a good guess.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byford_Dolphin

> Investigation by forensic pathologists determined that Hellevik, being exposed to the highest pressure gradient and in the process of moving to secure the inner door, was forced through the crescent-shaped opening measuring 60 centimetres (24 in) long created by the jammed interior trunk door. With the escaping air and pressure, it included bisection of his thoracoabdominal cavity, which resulted in fragmentation of his body, followed by expulsion of all of the internal organs of his chest and abdomen, except the trachea and a section of small intestine, and of the thoracic spine. These were projected some distance, one section being found 10 metres (30 ft) vertically above the exterior pressure door.

That's with a nine atmosphere pressure differential. The Titanic is at about 400 atmospheres.

Re: Oceangate Statement, “We now believe that [all crew] have sadly been lost.”

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Post by TechBro8615 »

ant6n wrote: post #35
seanalltogether wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From that same article, I guess he got the recognition he always wanted. Rush, the CEO of OceanGate Expeditions, told a Mexican travel blogger in 2021 he wanted to be known as an innovator who broke the rules. “I think it was (US Army) Gen. (Douglas) MacArthur who said, ‘You’re remembered for the rules you break,’” Rush told Alan Estrada, who documented his trip to the Titanic, including an aborted attempt in July 20…

Wasnt MacArthur the one who wanted to start a nuclear war with China during the Korean war and got sacked by Truman or Eisenhower?

MacArthur's solution [0] to every military problem after 1945 was to drop a nuke on it:

> On 24 December 1950, while responding to a formal request from the Pentagon, specifically Major General Charles L. Bolte, about a hypothetical question regarding which targets should be bombed with atomic weapons if the Soviets got directly involved in the Korean War or if the Chinese military sent bombers to bomb UN forces in Korea and Japan from mainland China, MacArthur submitted a list of "retardation targets" in Korea, Manchuria and other parts of China, for which 34 atomic bombs would be required.

And from that same link, here's a direct quote from an interview with MacArthur which was published posthumously:

> Of all the campaigns of my life, 20 major ones to be exact, [Korea was] the one I felt most sure of was the one I was deprived of waging. I could have won the war in Korea in a maximum of 10 days.... I would have dropped between 30 and 50 atomic bombs on his air bases and other depots strung across the neck of Manchuria

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relief_of_Douglas_MacArthur#Nu...

Re: Oceangate Statement, “We now believe that [all crew] have sadly been lost.”

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Post by jacquesm »

N19PEDL2 wrote: post #22
seanalltogether wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From that same article, I guess he got the recognition he always wanted. Rush, the CEO of OceanGate Expeditions, told a Mexican travel blogger in 2021 he wanted to be known as an innovator who broke the rules. “I think it was (US Army) Gen. (Douglas) MacArthur who said, ‘You’re remembered for the rules you break,’” Rush told Alan Estrada, who documented his trip to the Titanic, including an aborted attempt in July 20…

You can't break the rules of physics.

Well, it worked, a few times. The problem isn't so much the rules of physics it is the materials science underpinned by those rules of physics. This particular material for a hull is in my opinion a mis-application if you plan on using it repeatedly or for carrying people.
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