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Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

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Re: Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

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Post by methodical »

antisthenes wrote: post #11

No idea why every single journalist kept forcing the "air remaining" theme. It was far more likely that the sub suffered a catastrophic implosion at the time contact was lost. Glad to see it confirmed, and finally people stop posting the nonsense about air. Shame about the passengers though.

Obviously unfortunate for the passengers, but definitely the preferable outcome instead of being stuck on the bottom or the surface until air ran out. The implosion would have essentially vaporized them within milliseconds, there was no chance they even had started to process their own demise, which, in a way, is somewhat positive, in context of the narratives that were pushed for a while.

Re: Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

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Post by squarefoot »

antisthenes wrote: post #11

No idea why every single journalist kept forcing the "air remaining" theme. It was far more likely that the sub suffered a catastrophic implosion at the time contact was lost. Glad to see it confirmed, and finally people stop posting the nonsense about air. Shame about the passengers though.

> No idea why every single journalist kept forcing the "air remaining" theme.

Because there was no proof of a different outcome, and the suspense also works as a powerful bait (== more clicks/copies/attention).

Re: Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

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Post by redroyal »

housemusicfan wrote: post #5
yabones wrote: post #3

What can we learn from this? Don't go in pressure vessels; don't go in confined spaces.

That's a gross oversimplification. There have been multiple vessels that have successfully explored the sea floor. What set them apart was a distinct lack of SV VC-level "move fast and break things" bullshit and utter reckless disregard for safety.

Was there a legitimate reason to take that risk?

What I don’t get is why there is no beacon on this device. That should be law. This search is costing tens of millions and without a beacon they never had a chance. From what I understand of the construction and debris there is a very low order of probability they will be recovered alive. Even if they are found conserving air they can’t extract the module in time. It takes at least 24 hours to build the necessary rig. They knew this going in, so why search at all? I mean they’re lost at sea no matter how you slice it. Apparently while touring at the wreck of others lost at sea which isn’t a rational gamble to risk your life over. I mean they bolted the door from the outside because the pressure was so high surely that was a clue. And if they did survive the impact, five people panicking without air in that confined space can’t have been pretty. What a mess

Re: Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

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Post by kipchak »

antisthenes wrote: post #11

No idea why every single journalist kept forcing the "air remaining" theme. It was far more likely that the sub suffered a catastrophic implosion at the time contact was lost. Glad to see it confirmed, and finally people stop posting the nonsense about air. Shame about the passengers though.

the "air remaining" angle allows for multiple updates (48 hours left! 12 hours left!) and the build up to some sort of conclusion.

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Post by vkou »

powderpig wrote: post #7
yabones wrote: post #3

What can we learn from this? Don't go in pressure vessels; don't go in confined spaces.

There are a number of reasons why it might have failed, fatigue, deviation from process/protocol but pressure vessels are well understood and not the problem here.

Are carbon-fiber pressure vessels well understood?

I get that there's a lot of armchair quarterbacking from internet material experts here, but this does seem to be an outlier with this particular submarine.

Re: Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

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Post by janalsncm »

qeternity wrote: post #13
mattbrewsbytes wrote: post #9

The outcome everyone knew would happen. I don't understand the desire to go to that depth to see a sunken ship when I presume there is camera footage of it available. You can't get out and do anything, your view is probably pretty crappy given the thickness of any see through material. I see the allure with Everest and the view for your 60 seconds at the top must be impressive and it is a physical feat. But a sunken…

> when I presume there is camera footage of it available. Not sure if this is sarcasm...

I think they mean footage of the Titanic.

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Post by submarine18282 »

antisthenes wrote: post #11

No idea why every single journalist kept forcing the "air remaining" theme. It was far more likely that the sub suffered a catastrophic implosion at the time contact was lost. Glad to see it confirmed, and finally people stop posting the nonsense about air. Shame about the passengers though.

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Re: Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

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Post by bonestamp2 »

antisthenes wrote: post #11

No idea why every single journalist kept forcing the "air remaining" theme. It was far more likely that the sub suffered a catastrophic implosion at the time contact was lost. Glad to see it confirmed, and finally people stop posting the nonsense about air. Shame about the passengers though.

> No idea why every single journalist kept forcing the "air remaining" theme.

To keep people coming back for updates as the clock ticks down. Now that most people pay for news with impressions, they have to cultivate impressions.

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